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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:31 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

If he genuinely wants rehabilitation into football, then I think he would better off starting again with a small club, even semi pro, and using his knowledge and skills in the community.

Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to see it this way. I think he genuinely believes that there is nothing wrong with his, or his supporters behaviour, and that he can go back to Sheff U as if nothing has happened.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Full disclosure: I do have a bit of a dog in that last argument.

My dad was killed by an underaged drunk driver back in 1965 who, through a technicality, served no time (rich daddy) and, at least to my knowledge, is still happily free and driving around to this day.


Bloody hell mate, that's horrendous.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Grind wrote:
Full disclosure: I do have a bit of a dog in that last argument.

My dad was killed by an underaged drunk driver back in 1965 who, through a technicality, served no time (rich daddy) and, at least to my knowledge, is still happily free and driving around to this day.


Bloody hell mate, that's horrendous.


I obviously never knew anything different - so I can't complain - but I really wish I'd been a better kid for my mother whilst she was still here.

Unfortunately, stuff happens - think about Alex Cairns.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not trying to restoke the fire here.
But the horrible malicious tweets posted by both pro and anti-Evans camps have made me realise what an evil bastard Twitter is in the wrong hands.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fartcatcher wrote:
Not trying to restoke the fire here.
But the horrible malicious tweets posted by both pro and anti-Evans camps have made me realise what an evil bastard Twitter is in the wrong hands.


And isn't that what it's coming to - trial by social media
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly.

Send him down!

Oh he has been, now he's back.

I actually believe that some people will not be happy until Evans kills himself.  But anyway, at least, at last, he has shown some contrition and sympathy for the girl (all in a written statement mind).  He should have done this within days of his release, the cretin, as a lot of crap would have been avoided.

He still protests his innocence so therefore, saying sorry for a crime he believes he didn't commit would add up to an admission of guilt for rape, I get that, but it's extremely difficult to sympathise with him when he has taken so long to issue a decent statement.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Gordon Taylor has been unfairly treated by the media and he meant well with what he said and was in no way trivialising what happened to fans at Hillsborough, all he’s guilty of is not putting his point across clearly. But both him, Steve Bruce, and anybody else in a public high-profile position should just shut the fuck up until the case has been reviewed and concluded.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30742947
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taylor has embarrassed himself, that's all, but blimey he should know better than that.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twitter isnt the evil bastard. Arseholes are the evil bastards, always have been its just these days everyone has a media platform to spout their shit. Things like Twitter bring many things lots of them good and dangerous to the power holders. That's why they don't like it, that's why they try to blame "it" for arsehole things that arseholes say. The trouble with freedom is that everyone is or should be free to say what they like even arseholes.

Yeah Taylor should know better but he is guilty of nothing else. Thats another thing about social media. Every fucker now has a supreme sense of entitlement to be offended at anything just so they can get their tuppence 'appeny's worth in.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The press went to town on him as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Late Doors wrote:
Twitter isnt the evil bastard. Arseholes are the evil bastards, always have been its just these days everyone has a media platform to spout their shit. Things like Twitter bring many things lots of them good and dangerous to the power holders. That's why they don't like it, that's why they try to blame "it" for arsehole things that arseholes say. The trouble with freedom is that everyone is or should be free to say what they like even arseholes.

Yeah Taylor should know better but he is guilty of nothing else. Thats another thing about social media. Every fucker now has a supreme sense of entitlement to be offended at anything just so they can get their tuppence 'appeny's worth in.


The thing I find alarming about how the media went at Taylor was that it was clear to anybody with half a mind that he didn't mean any offence towards the Hillsborough victims, but so-called credible news sources like the Beeb were calling for his blood within an hour of him saying it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure either way about the 'calling for blood' observation tbh Dock, it's a separate matter but I keep hearing that the BBC is politically biased.  I keep hearing that accusation from people from all areas of political parties.  Did the BBC really say Taylor is bang out of order etc or did they report that his remarks have caused a stir?

I noticed a Mail headline, not front page, saying something akin to 'Taylor says Evans case is as bad as Hillsborough' which is a disgraceful comment.  No surprise of course.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the things that baffles me about this whole sordid affair is the support Evans has received from the millionaire father of his grlfriend.

This man has bankrolled private detectives to discover the girl's new identity(ies), funded the 'Save Ched' web site, and most recently offered to make up any lost sponsorship money to Oldham if they offered his daughter's beau a job.

If, while I was going out with mrs fc, I had been caught shagging an at best semi-comatose woman in a Premier Inn, after my mate had finished with her, whilst being watched and filmed by my brother, and then sneaked out via the fire escape, I would have been told never to darken her door again.

To be honest, if I'd committed such a cheap and tawdry act, I'd never have dared look her in the eye again. Or my parents.

Karl Massey's behaviour is bizarre. Perhaps he's always wanted the world to know he's a big shot and this has just given him an opportunity. If that's the case, why not just buy a club, give Ched a job and be done with it.

It desperately needs someone sensible to get a grip on this and convince the public that football is more than 'a man's game', and understands it's responsibility as our national sport. The trouble is I can't think of anyone. The FA and FL should be providing leadership but seem indifferent/paralysed with fear.

I've got no sympathy for Gordon Taylor. He's the most highly paid Union rep in the country. He's more interested in making sure his members get cheap match tickets that they can sell on the black market than the ethics of the game. This isn't his first gaffe. He ought to know by now when to say something and when to say nothing.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frazier Cranium wrote:
I'm not sure either way about the 'calling for blood' observation tbh Dock, it's a separate matter but I keep hearing that the BBC is politically biased.  I keep hearing that accusation from people from all areas of political parties.  Did the BBC really say Taylor is bang out of order etc or did they report that his remarks have caused a stir?

I noticed a Mail headline, not front page, saying something akin to 'Taylor says Evans case is as bad as Hillsborough' which is a disgraceful comment.  No surprise of course.


Fair point. Bad choice of phrase on my part. What I was getting at is that the Taylor quote wasn't even a newsworthy event yet the tossers in the news content dept. at the Beeb thought it was.
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I think Taylor has passed the time to leave, I'm quite sure he has done more good than bad for his union but nonetheless, your leader needs to be practically faultless, that's what i meant about him being an idiot, saying something when really there was little needed to be said.

Sounds like Evans' girlfriend's dad is a rich prick, such a rarity eh.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frazier Cranium wrote:
I think Taylor has passed the time to leave, I'm quite sure he has done more good than bad for his union but nonetheless, your leader needs to be practically faultless, that's what i meant about him being an idiot, saying something when really there was little needed to be said.

Sounds like Evans' girlfriend's dad is a rich prick, such a rarity eh.


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I agree, don't need to ask!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2016 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So - he's innocent. No new evidence - just an ultimately successful campaign to discredit the girl by exposing the fact that he wasn't the first to shag her.

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The appeal court judgment – which was made before the retrial, but can only now be reported – allowed new evidence from two witnesses who gave testimony about the complainant’s sexual preferences and the language she used during sex. It led to her being questioned in detail in open court about intimate details of her sex life.


If, as he boasted when arrested he could 'Have any woman he wanted' in Rhyl, it's surprising he couldn't find one who was conscious.


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