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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:38 pm    Post subject: Tapped  Reply with quote

Wasn't keen on this place when it first opened but it's found its way very nicely into the city's tapestry now that it has acquired its own character. Great selection of ales almost on a par with the peerless Grove in Huddersfield. Nice deco bar and bar stools, big windows and helpful knowledgeable staff. A tad pricey but that's Leeds city hipsters for you.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Tapped Reply with quote

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Wasn't keen on this place when it first opened but it's found its way very nicely into the city's tapestry now that it has acquired its own character. Great selection of ales almost on a par with the peerless Grove in Huddersfield. Nice deco bar and bar stools, big windows and helpful knowledgeable staff. A tad pricey but that's Leeds city hipsters for you.


Seconded. Love sitting having a pint and watching the world dash by. We shall attend on Saturday.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Tapped Reply with quote

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A tad pricey but that's Leeds city hipsters for you.


A tad pricey? From memory, the majority were over a fiver a pint. It might be okay if you're a half pint Harry on two pints a night, but otherwise, it gets a tad expensive.

Unfortunately, if people accept paying these prices, they will become the norm.

How come Wetherspoons can knock out beer in the city centre of equal or higher quality, but charge £1-2, maybe £3 a pint or more less And forget "volume buying" and the rest of the excuses. Much bigger pub chains are amongst the worst culprits.

They say they are charging you more because it's a "craft" beer? What exactly is a craft beer?  Do they think that "non-craft" brewers have a look on the shelf, see what they have, then brew up with it? Even the brewers that do John Smith Smooth don't do that. The inflated prices charged bear no resemblance to the fractionally higher raw material costs of using "premium" hops and barley, whatever they are supposed to be. Given that approximately 95% is water, relatively the actual raw material cost is not high. Add on approximatley 11 pence duty per 1% alcohol content (e.g. a 5% pint will have about 55 pence (plus VAT) applied) you have to question why any pint costs more that £3. I think that Sam's Smiths knock out their respectably rated Old Brewery Bitter in the Angel in Leeds for less than £2 a pint.

I noticed that the off-licence in Morrisons supermarket have started labelling their bottled beers with different tags - the "premium" ones are labelled "craft". The others are simply their colour - golden, amber etc. I bet that the brewers of Doom Bar - champion British beer just a few years ago, is not longer considered to have been "crafted", but is now merely a colour.

No, this "craft beer" bollocks scales new pinnacles of style over substance. When you consider buying one at an over-inflated price, just remember that behind all the hype for these "craft beers" is a bearded, check-shirted, fixed-wheel bicycle owning, "marketing-guru" hipster, and imagine that he is laughing at you while slipping his finger up your bottom while you are handing over your hard-earned cash. You've been mugged. And it's all legal.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't been in for a while but I remember it being quite dear but not as dear as that. Fuck Tapped! We shall take our business and bonhomie elsewhere Your Grace.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:46 am    Post subject: Re: Tapped Reply with quote

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Late Doors wrote:
A tad pricey but that's Leeds city hipsters for you.


A tad pricey? From memory, the majority were over a fiver a pint. It might be okay if you're a half pint Harry on two pints a night, but otherwise, it gets a tad expensive.

Unfortunately, if people accept paying these prices, they will become the norm.

How come Wetherspoons can knock out beer in the city centre of equal or higher quality, but charge £1-2, maybe £3 a pint or more less And forget "volume buying" and the rest of the excuses. Much bigger pub chains are amongst the worst culprits.

They say they are charging you more because it's a "craft" beer? What exactly is a craft beer?  Do they think that "non-craft" brewers have a look on the shelf, see what they have, then brew up with it? Even the brewers that do John Smith Smooth don't do that. The inflated prices charged bear no resemblance to the fractionally higher raw material costs of using "premium" hops and barley, whatever they are supposed to be. Given that approximately 95% is water, relatively the actual raw material cost is not high. Add on approximatley 11 pence duty per 1% alcohol content (e.g. a 5% pint will have about 55 pence (plus VAT) applied) you have to question why any pint costs more that £3. I think that Sam's Smiths knock out their respectably rated Old Brewery Bitter in the Angel in Leeds for less than £2 a pint.

I noticed that the off-licence in Morrisons supermarket have started labelling their bottled beers with different tags - the "premium" ones are labelled "craft". The others are simply their colour - golden, amber etc. I bet that the brewers of Doom Bar - champion British beer just a few years ago, is not longer considered to have been "crafted", but is now merely a colour.

No, this "craft beer" bollocks scales new pinnacles of style over substance. When you consider buying one at an over-inflated price, just remember that behind all the hype for these "craft beers" is a bearded, check-shirted, fixed-wheel bicycle owning, "marketing-guru" hipster, and imagine that he is laughing at you while slipping his finger up your bottom while you are handing over your hard-earned cash. You've been mugged. And it's all legal.


Re Morrison's. Only this week I went in the Brough branch for some beer and noticed the separate 'Craft Beers' near the 'Real Ales' shelf and I thought "Hang on a minute" and smelled a price rat. I totally agree with your post.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I haven't been in for a while but I remember it being quite dear but not as dear as that. Fuck Tapped! We shall take our business and bonhomie elsewhere Your Grace.


Whoohh boy, not so hasty, blimey you turn quicker than Cruyff but spot on Your Grace, i couldn't agree more either especially about the emperor's new craft clothes.

However, i think Tapped is a bit of an exception and nowhere near the likes of North Bar that epitomises your points. I didn't see anything remotely approaching five quid in the place. Admittedly I wasn't looking at the type of beers that go for that, they type you mention, high alcohol keg stuff. I had two pints, both superb American pales both well over 5% with a combined price of £8.20. I'd probably pay £6.40 for them in my very reasonably priced local and the Grove. Not a massive amount in the grand scheme of things especially given the two very different locations and therefore business costs.

I'm a big fan of JDWs, you're preaching to the converted there but i have to say the quality of staff, in general, is appalling. There are obvious exceptions all over the place but fuck me the majority of them are slack arse clueless idiots and I am guessing therefore  paid accordingly. The staff in Tapped and my other favorite places are a different kettle of fish and no doubt will be paid more (hope so anyway) We have to pay for that and i have no problem there.

Tapped also brings something different to the area. You look around Boar Lane nearby and you have the Griffin and Black Lion, both new or reinvented, both bland, both pricey neither bringing anything new or different.

I believe volume buying does play a role in a business model, not just with ale but property, rates, food, maintenance etc. and JDW are very commanding. They have to sell a lot of beer and a lot of food cheaply to make their model work and that attracts a different crowd than tapped. Not everybody likes to drink amongst that crowd but that's their problem.

I'm not sure which other chains you mean that have the same power but still charge silly prices. The Templar for instance belongs to one but their prices are similar to JDW. The Vic/Palace/Taps are all heritage inns and are reasonable. The others like Yates etc. i wouldn't frequent usually anyway. Ill tell you who us taking the piss these days, Leeds brewery, top dollar for average ale in average pubs.

Sam Smiths are unique and again im a big fan. They're still family owned aren't they? Probably own everything they have including the pubs, makes a big difference to their costing models. I take your point though, JDWs are fabulous but do you really want to drink in them all the time ? I don't and am delighted places like Tapped can thrive despite JDWs in town and am happy to give them the two or three quid a week extra for the amount i drink there.

To the point about encouraging these high prices by paying them id say that by ONLY frequenting JDWs you'd be discouraging other options and therefore ultimately limiting the beer drinkers choice which these days has never been better. That enables us to have a couple in Tapped AND a couple in Becketts and elsewhere. Your round in Tapped though.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nowt to do with me but your Sam Smith's pubs are always cheaper in my experience, what I didn't envisage was actually LIKING their beer, I used to hate SS pubs with a vengeance.

Scarbrough Taps is always a good pub, not too expensive.  Horse n Trumpet is good value but a little too rough perhaps at times, Whitelocks is ace but not cheap, the Templar was always good value, the Vic too, the George is a bit plastic now but not a bad pub still.  And West Riding on Wellington Street is good too.  Wetherspoons and Lloyds' are the best VFM pubs around I believe.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Tapped but not for a sesh, not comfy enough.

Few weeks ago I ordered an Elderflower beer in there, and delicious it was. Only noticed the price once I had it in hand.  

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I had two pints, both superb American pales both well over 5% with a combined price of £8.20. I'd probably pay £6.40 for them in my very reasonably priced local and the Grove.


It may be my imagination, but there seems to been a massive escalation in beer prices in many of the pubs in Leeds and the environs in the last few years. Whereas say, 5 years ago £2-2.50 was the norm, it's more like £3-3.50 and upwards now. I can't see how a such a jump over a period of exceptionally low inflation can be justified. It was an insidious increase - once one place starting ramping up the prices, they all joined in. They do it because they get away with it.

Tapped brews several of its own beers, and is not owned by a PubCo - so how can they justify charging over £4 a pint for something that is 95% water, and a few other low cost ingredients. They can't. They're simply taking the piss along with the other "craft beer" bandits.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're not only taking the piss, they're probably selling it back to you too.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dock wrote:
I haven't been in for a while but I remember it being quite dear but not as dear as that. Fuck Tapped! We shall take our business and bonhomie elsewhere Your Grace.


Whoohh boy, not so hasty, blimey you turn quicker than Cruyff but spot on Your Grace, i couldn't agree more either especially about the emperor's new craft clothes.

However, i think Tapped is a bit of an exception and nowhere near the likes of North Bar that epitomises your points. I didn't see anything remotely approaching five quid in the place. Admittedly I wasn't looking at the type of beers that go for that, they type you mention, high alcohol keg stuff. I had two pints, both superb American pales both well over 5% with a combined price of £8.20. I'd probably pay £6.40 for them in my very reasonably priced local and the Grove. Not a massive amount in the grand scheme of things especially given the two very different locations and therefore business costs.

I'm a big fan of JDWs, you're preaching to the converted there but i have to say the quality of staff, in general, is appalling. There are obvious exceptions all over the place but fuck me the majority of them are slack arse clueless idiots and I am guessing therefore  paid accordingly. The staff in Tapped and my other favorite places are a different kettle of fish and no doubt will be paid more (hope so anyway) We have to pay for that and i have no problem there.

Tapped also brings something different to the area. You look around Boar Lane nearby and you have the Griffin and Black Lion, both new or reinvented, both bland, both pricey neither bringing anything new or different.

I believe volume buying does play a role in a business model, not just with ale but property, rates, food, maintenance etc. and JDW are very commanding. They have to sell a lot of beer and a lot of food cheaply to make their model work and that attracts a different crowd than tapped. Not everybody likes to drink amongst that crowd but that's their problem.

I'm not sure which other chains you mean that have the same power but still charge silly prices. The Templar for instance belongs to one but their prices are similar to JDW. The Vic/Palace/Taps are all heritage inns and are reasonable. The others like Yates etc. i wouldn't frequent usually anyway. Ill tell you who us taking the piss these days, Leeds brewery, top dollar for average ale in average pubs.

Sam Smiths are unique and again im a big fan. They're still family owned aren't they? Probably own everything they have including the pubs, makes a big difference to their costing models. I take your point though, JDWs are fabulous but do you really want to drink in them all the time ? I don't and am delighted places like Tapped can thrive despite JDWs in town and am happy to give them the two or three quid a week extra for the amount i drink there.

To the point about encouraging these high prices by paying them id say that by ONLY frequenting JDWs you'd be discouraging other options and therefore ultimately limiting the beer drinkers choice which these days has never been better. That enables us to have a couple in Tapped AND a couple in Becketts and elsewhere. Your round in Tapped though.


Re Turning. Listen kid, if I'm going to take advice about the price of a quid it's going to from the man whose Mam's face is on the aforementioned quid. PM knows about dosh. His family owns a shitload of Scotland, a swathe of the Sussex Downs, and is also the Duchy of Cornwall. And not just on the left hand side either. If His Grace says it's too dear it's too dear.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point well made.

Its not just beer though is it thats shot up overthese last five years, its all food. Typical example is my local the shoulder £2.30 in 2010 Now £3.00. Id say thats a 5% rise year on year near enough.

Round here its about £3.20 for over 5.9%  about £3.00 for over 4.2%  and wnything from £2.55 to £2.90 for under 4.2%. Best value beers these days for quality and price are the excellent Rat beers brewed in the Rat n Ratchet. The White Rat is £2.55 at 4% and is superb
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Rammed in here last Saturday. First pay day after Christmas. Great staff dealt with it superbly but an awful lot of empty glasses were gathering along the centre tables until they all got cleared up eventually. The ale was as ever first class. Jaipur IPA then a ridiculously strong white  breakfast stout by Founders Brewer for MrsD. Presumably called a breakfast stout because of the Coffee tones. I didn't like it, thought it was imbalanced and not at all refined like Magic Rocks Coffee ales bearded lady or the recent Common grounds

I had a couple of 5.2 %s of high hopped brews by Alphabet Brewery, very nice but everything we had was a pound more expensive than it would have been in the Ace Grove Huddersfield. That's why we left after two.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I had a couple of 5.2 %s of high hopped brews by Alphabet Brewery


Going for the low alcohol stuff I see... doing this dry January business then?

This "strong white breakfast stout"... what was white about it?
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It was a stout but it had the co!our of a pale ale


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