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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:38 am    Post subject: Never Mind the Ballots - Election 2017  Reply with quote

After the EU referendum and the cheap and nasty practices/ scaremongering/ mudslinging/ acting on self interests/ and monumental lack of a real plan on BOTH sides of the political spectrum last year I really have little time for any politicians. But saying that I do like Corbyn's idealism and values, even if many of his own party had the knives out for him again as soon as the election date was announced. One of the main policy issues for me is education. The academy thing hasn't worked and the lack of money in schools, the stupid amounts of admin faffery that stops teachers being able to just teach, the perpetual jumping through Ofsted hoops that schools have to do, and the constant academic pressure on kids (your life chances should not be determined on exam results in my opinion) are all things that scare me as a parent of a five year old who's doing fine in his first year of school (I get such a buzz hearing him reading out words from a page) and I want him to have a happy childhood and enjoy learning. So in conclusion that's probably going to be the main thing that is going to shape my vote. The recent Blair and Con governments have chipped away at public services like education and health and I want them back for the people.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know the common consensus is to be thoroughly sick of politics but since the thread has started..

Never has a conservative government been more for the taking and never have we had opposition less able to take it. Everybody, ok almost everybody thinks Corbyn is a good man and likes what he says. So he wants to talks to terrorists and wants the word rid of nuclear weapons. Well he didn't make one deputy leader of a country or talk in secret like so many other politicians do. And who else relishes nuclear weapons in the hands of maniacs running countries these days?

It's all there on the labour party web site. Policies aims and ambitions but it just isn't getting out to their voters never mind undecided voters. They can blame media blocking and manipulation all they like but it's up to him to break through and he simply isn't doing so. He should be translating policies into potential government actions on the economy and telling the nation with passion why it won't damage the country. Until he does no one is going to trust his economic policies and model. Millions and millions of people desperately want to believe him and in a credible opposition to the Tories, it should be a doddle but he does not seem capable of either getting his message across despite the media strangulation or mobilising  his party to do the same. We are morphing into an American style right wing and centre right alternative with the Labour party being some kind of Noam Chomsky type idealists. It's sickening but it's what we are being led into as part of the bigger move into the American type political social and economic model. I'm sorry but this talk of sick of politics is only helping that happen. Maybe that's what we want. Recent elections and polls certainly suggest that and an apathetic outlook on politics will only accelerate it.  

I couldn't agree more about Education but the trouble is Governments and their masters view it simply as a tool for moulding people into their long term strategies for the country. It should be about giving every kid maximum resources to fulfil all of their potential in whatever talent they have, Artistic, scientific, technical, creative whatever and taking them on from there. I shouldn't talk really not having any kids to worry about but it seems to me that already huge swathes of kids are already into a system that will give them no chance. Got to say that pillock Blair made a right mess of education as well
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Corbyn is the first Labour leader I actually have time for. But as much as he might appeal to those who like the thought of grass roots socialism in reality most Labour supporters have been capitalised and turned right of centre by Blair/Brown.

We've had this debate before but what do we vote for - the PM figure, the party or the local MP if he has done us good. I could never ever vote for right wing socialism as I think it is hypocritical. I like monetarism ON PAPER aka Milton Friedman, which was the Tory way but in reality it is severely flawed i.e. the complete wipe out of the pits and no thought to the social impact yet to simply chuck money at things is also stupid. If you can't afford it you can't have it. Yet we now live in a debt ridden society.

Will I vote - well I might for my local MP who has been very responsive to my own personal plight about building social housing on the green field land at the bottom of my garden. To that end I don't give a shite what party he is.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To me the whole example of central government can be summed up in the following story (and I may have told this before):

A few years ago I was involved with a team who was setup to look at computer licencing within n area of the public sector. I used to go down to the big smoke and we'd sit around a table and the lead would report back to some junior minister who then put it to his next line of command etc etc. Anyway the licence bundle was costing about 90 per PC (or 222m in total). Despite our three options which never included scrap everything the government at the time (time of last but one election) decided to pull it and under a blaze of publicity told the country it had saved the tax payer 222m.

One problem there - those licences still need paying. Upshot - that 90 it was costing now costs an organisation upwards of 350 and no central fund was available so each individual organisation has to cough the money up itself.

Now that is central politics for you in a nut shell
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old flappy trousers isn't daft. She knows the economy will be in worse shape in two years than it is now, and that Labour by then will have more ammunition (and possiby better leadership).

Unfortunately I think she'll breeze it.

It really bugs me when they go on about all the money they are giving to Education.

The problem is that it's not going to the Local Councils who desperately need it for schools - it's all going towards setting up Academies, Free Schools and now Grammar Schools.

More choice my arse. Grammar schools that choose the parents/children. Not the other way round. That's why they have the 11+.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And another five years to attack the old without risking core vote too much, pensions, allowances, means tests etc. Turn young people against them first in classic divisive media campaign.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jezza was in our park today

https://twitter.com/DanJohnsonNew...le%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

The eagle eyed amongst you might spot yours truly to the right of the "Hands off HRI" banner to the left of the pampuss grass
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pompous arse?
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The three main parties seem to be trying to out do each other on election pledges. Like market lads trying to undercut each other shouting the price of veg. It's all pretty fucking tacky if you ask me.......I know you won't.
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Despite never ever voting Labour in my life (in fact I think I have only ever voted once in my life) the thought of a party with a massive majority whilst the main opposition party fragments into New Labour and Socialism Labour further diminishing any serious opposition does not appeal to me,

Yes British politics needs a majority party rather than a coalition but not a massive majority. Thatcher and Blair showed us that doesn't work.

But I don't dislike Corbyn as a person - he's got an allotment god dammit - but he is so wet when answering questions yet his main players are even worse. You listen to them and they sound like the local councillor you bump into in the pub.
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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2017 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit of mildly interesting background to Nurse Ratched's enthusiasm for hunting. During the last campaign, the Countryside Alliance bussed their members into 130 key constituencies to help the Conservative candidates distribute leaflets and generally do rent-a-mob duties.

She knows that there's not the slightest chance that Parliament will ever vote to bring back hunting, but her positive pro-hunting message has ensured the continued support of the Alliance throughout the current campaign.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really disappointed where this here election is going.

Never been agreat fan of Labour but I have actually found Corbyn to have been the better candidate up to now.

But he and espeically his cromies around him are weak and we do need some tough leadership in the coming years. So I was expecting a lot more of May. Couldn't stand Cameron but she came over as a breath of fresh air. But the whole way she has conducted this election campaign has put her down in my estimation. And I certainly don't see any strength in depth amongst her rank and file.

It's sad that British politics seems to have deterioriated to middle o fthe road mediocharcy

I may abstain from voting although to be fair our local MP (and a back bencher) seems quite decent
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How can you call him weak? Despite incredible brutal pressure on him to say things he doesn't believe in he still plays it straight down his line of convictions. Not only that he is not frightened to appear on tv to debate and answer to the public about his beliefs. Neither is he frightened of having alternative view points around him that he is managing with incredible strength.

Nah, its a foregone conclusion obviously but it isn't going to be the landslide originally predicted. British politics has oscillated to the left and right of center for decades, that is our way and it works but the shift and trend over that period has been to the right. It's the Tories turn to have a stint in power, ok, so what matters right now is a proper opposition that is going to oppose and form a credible real alternative that is going to make people think twice about accepting Tory policy and make it harder for them to enforce.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Late Doors wrote:
How can you call him weak? Despite incredible brutal pressure on him to say things he doesn't believe in he still plays it straight down his line of convictions. Not only that he is not frightened to appear on tv to debate and answer to the public about his beliefs. Neither is he frightened of having alternative view points around him that he is managing with incredible strength.

Nah, its a foregone conclusion obviously but it isn't going to be the landslide originally predicted. British politics has oscillated to the left and right of center for decades, that is our way and it works but the shift and trend over that period has been to the right. It's the Tories turn to have a stint in power, ok, so what matters right now is a proper opposition that is going to oppose and form a credible real alternative that is going to make people think twice about accepting Tory policy and make it harder for them to enforce.


Collectively he is weak LD. The people around him are baffoons. But so are the Tories. Fuck knows who Mays advisor is but to tell her not to do the TV appearance is also political suicide.

Corbyn has too many alternative ideas as well. And not ones that a Bristish PM should have.

I do agree (as I have said before) that a landslide victory for any political party is not good for the country especially when both main parties are so weak collectively.

This is the worse political setup I have seen for years. We, the voters, deserve more to represent us whatever political persuasion you are.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

May is just a rhetoric tape on a loop. My toaster has more personality than her. The more I see and hear The Corb speak the more I like him. I will be voting Labour.

I believe a lot of people's perception of him as weak comes from the fact that they want to be comforted by shifty smooth talking fuckers like Cameron and others of his kind. Corbyn hasn't slung any shit about anybody and has kept to his convictions about what he wants to achieve and what he believes to be the causes of inequality.
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May is just a rhetoric tape on a loop. My toaster has more personality than her. The more I see and hear The Corb speak the more I like him. I will be voting Labour.

I believe a lot of people's perception of him as weak comes from the fact that they want to be comforted by shifty smooth talking fuckers like Cameron and others of his kind. Corbyn hasn't slung any shit about anybody and has kept to his convictions about what he wants to achieve and what he believes to be the causes of inequality.


I want Corbyns magic wand. We are going to fund more for the police, NHS blah blah blah. Ermm where from exactly.

Oh of course the high tax earners. And no not those on 6 figure sums plus as that revenue is actually minimal but from the likes of you and me. Tories have done it through stealth taxation. An example. I got on the HMRC hit list a few years ago because I sneaked into the high tax band AND I had kids (so we legally entitled to child allowance). Cost me a few grand in tax arrears and now every year I have to fill out a tax return telling them of all my income. Costs me around 250 a year. Yet a person I work with who is on a lot more than me and whose partner has a very good job as well has never had to fill out a tax return yet he has lots invested in shares etc, the only difference - he doesn't have kids. I love stealth tax.

Unless something radical happens I won't be voting.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What sickens me the most is the 'I hate xxxxx' groups that have sprung up on Facebook. Replace xxxxx with Corbyn or May. Stuff like that is disgusting.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My shed is strong and stable, Theresa.

Do I vote for the party that wants to bring back hunting, or the party that will abolish hospital car park charges. Tricky.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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or the party that will abolish hospital car park charges. Tricky.


They might start by repealing the stupid 'square meters of property' tax that NHS organisations have to endure and which they introduced. Hospitals are historically spread out affairs but they get penalised for having too much property so have to seal up perfectly useable building and declare them uninhabitable to reduce a penalty. Little things like this could easily be repealed and save the NHS millions that could be further invested.


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