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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 11:49 am    Post subject: Great mysteries of our Time.  Reply with quote

Ill throw this one in for starters

How has James  Martin become such a prolific presenter on the beeb? Never has so much wood been presented anywhere to anyone since a certain horse entered the gates of Troy. All the warmth and humour of the Nuremberg trials and if that wasn't bad enough he cant cook a thing without a sackfull of butter,salt and sugar. Complete waste of breathing space not to mention licence money.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Metric and imperial both in everyday use. It baffles and annoys me why we haven't gone one way or t'other? Anybody know why? There are some clever lads on here so I expect an answer by sundown.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It all comes down to British resistance to change from traditional things - and I give a few examples below:-

You are presumably happy to buy your petrol in litres - yet talk about the miles per gallon of your car?

You buy your kitchen units in millimetre sizes - yet you tell people your height is in feet and inches.

You still buy pints of beer - yet spirits/wines are sold in millilitres. Spirits used to be 1/6 of a gill.

What size are your shoes? 9 or 43?

See articles about the "metric martyrs" from 2001 ish

Also the link below offers an insight

http://www.bwmaonline.com/

Famously, the Mars Climate Orbiter crashed in 1999 as one computer was giving readings in non SI units, whereas another was using SI units - so even a scientific organisation (NASA) suffered from the dual system in use.

Ultimately, people use the unit references that they are comfortable with and which have a definite relevance to their understanding of meaning.

I think that it is pertinent to point out that for those measurement units that the vast majority of people do not use in everyday life (thinking of physical or chemical properties) then the SI unit is generally used - as this is the first point of reference they encounter.

But for more common everyday usages, the traditional imperial measures persist.

As with any language, it is the common parlance that is used - and this may be the reason as to why your question arose.
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As answers go it's a belter. Ta for posting Dalek!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, beats mine. I thought it was Probably a reflection of  our post war limbo between allegiance through debt to the States (Imperial) and geographic and historical connection to Europe (metric) whilst trying  to maintain an independence (traditionally imperial). We' ve resisted pressure from Europe to go fully and exclusively metric but needed to align our systems with theirs. As always its a compromise that's inevitably brought ambiguity and all thge confusion that brings.

Ill throw in dead pigeons. Where the hell are they. See millions of them but only the odd dead one usually in the road.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once we're out of Europe won't we going back to Guineas, Fahrenheit, and rods, poles and perches?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yep, beats mine. I thought it was Probably a reflection of  our post war limbo between allegiance through debt to the States (Imperial) and geographic and historical connection to Europe (metric) whilst trying  to maintain an independence (traditionally imperial). We' ve resisted pressure from Europe to go fully and exclusively metric but needed to align our systems with theirs. As always its a compromise that's inevitably brought ambiguity and all thge confusion that brings.

Ill throw in dead pigeons. Where the hell are they. See millions of them but only the odd dead one usually in the road.

Sundown? Who are you? Gary Cooper  (c/o Larry David)


Have you been watching Curb LD? I remember that conversation he had with Richard Lewis.
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Beer mats. Went away, then came back in certain places with the real ale boom. Don't see many now.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ill throw in dead pigeons. Where the hell are they. See millions of them but only the odd dead one usually in the road. (c/o Larry David)


I've always wondered where the birds sleep. When I take Cooper (the dog and not a past Leeds United left back) out for a walk at night I like to shine the torch up into the trees. Never once have I seen a bird.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Once we're out of Europe won't we going back to Guineas, Fahrenheit, and rods, poles and perches?


Ha! I shouldn't complain really because if I had to start converting furlongs and handicapping pounds in horseracing I'd be as confused as fuck!*

*Yes, even more than I am now.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Almost everything here seems to be in Imperial units (and, even then, they aren't necessarily the same Imperial units (e.g. pints aren't, well, proper pints for more than one reason)) but the metric system is used for "real" science.

The only measurements I seem to routinely have problems with concern temperature.

If things well are above freezing, I mentally think in Fahrenheit but once things get chuffing cold, I revert to Centigrade.

Obviously, I know how to convert between the two, but I consciously have to do the conversion to know what 15C "is" in old money and, similarly, need to do the same with, say, 15F, the other way.

* Wonders whether to put on jumper. *
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This one really is illogical - I always have to stop to (briefly) think which way is East and which way is West (e.g. when joining roads here).

I never have to do that for North and South.

Bonkers.
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Strange innit.. I work in metric. Know a price per litre relative to a gallon and thereby mpg. I give my height and weight in imperial but know my height in metric. Do temperature in centigrade and distance in miles in UK and km abroad. Strange carry on.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith Lemon.


WHYYYYYY???????????
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Oak. Not like there's shed loads of the stuff yet the amount of oak furniture (supposedly solid oak) that is around nowadays.

I mean those trees take a bloody long while to grow. AT least 50 years for some species and 100 for others. Compare that to the lonesome pine. They grow in no time
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grind wrote:

The only measurements I seem to routinely have problems with concern temperature.

If things well are above freezing, I mentally think in Fahrenheit but once things get chuffing cold, I revert to Centigrade.

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I included this example in my response to Dock's question, then removed it before posting to avoid over-complication.

I too refer to cold weather (important detail) temperatures in °Celsius and warm conditions in °Fahrenheit.

I think the clue is with reference to a common substance we know is cold when at 0 °C and hot at 100 °C - water.

The figures on the scale used around zero convey the cold meaning and towards 100 the hot meaning. The scale used therefore becomes interchangeable depending upon context and what everybody understands.  Even the UK weather forecasters who use Celsius as a matter of course also include the Fahrenheit equivalent when talking about hot weather (especially as it nears 100° F).  

It is a long time since I heard a weather forecaster saying the temperature will be a chilly 32 degrees tomorrow (°F).

The changing use of the English language is a fascinating subject.
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Don't start me on Kelvins.
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Couldn't help myself: I had to go and look up the (basically minimal) differences between Celsius and Centigrade.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dock wrote:
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Sundown? Who are you? Gary Cooper  (c/o Larry David)


Have you been watching Curb LD? I remember that conversation he had with Richard Lewis.


Yep, finally catching up with it. Just into series two. Its well ace n that.


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