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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 4:57 pm    Post subject:  Reply with quote

Never smoked but I sort of miss smokey bars. No logic to that at all. I do like waking up the next day not stinking mind.
Never seen or heard of a meat raffle until earlier this year.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cutsyke wrote:
Never smoked but I sort of miss smokey bars. No logic to that at all. I do like waking up the next day not stinking mind.
Never seen or heard of a meat raffle until earlier this year.


One of the smokiest pubs I ever encountered was the Duck and Drake. I can only picture the old place in sepia - the brown being the smoke residues dripping off the walls and ceiling. Since the smoking ban, and in particular the re-painting of the place, its never been quite the same, although the clientele don't seem to have changed.

Heyho has the D&D as his favourite pub of all time, but thinks it's is losing its identity. I would agree and think the smoking ban has a lot to answer for. The Junction, probably the best pub in Otley, has also lost a little something as well since the smoking ban and it stopped being as sepia tinted.

Meat raffles - I've never actually attended one, though I was aware of their apparent existence through a major journalistic record of Northern life (Viz comic).
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bar over here called The Scratcher, a basement bar, had no air conditioning for the first few years. Ceilings about 8ft.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2016 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Butts wrote:
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Florence Nightingale


Will second that. It was in the days of still being single and working at Jimmies it would be rude not to go in. And actually a reflection of how the NHS used to be. 4'ish and someone would say 'how about a pint'. 'How about you David' (David was the chief exec!!). 5:30 and the pub would be packed with us all and the Exec.


Thirded. Great pub - esp 83-86.


Weird mix of locals, hospital staff and hospital patients (including one or two psychiatric patients) that worked.  Shame about it blowing up really.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It blew up? Really ? How, why?

We had a great pub outside our hospital in Lindley. The Fleece, sounds like a simular place. Didnt blow up though.

Meat raffles a regular thing in a couple of places i worked in. Donated often by the local butcher who mysteriously seemed to always win the football scratch card in the cricket club on a Sunday.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gas leak wasn't it?
Used to drink in there from time to time and the one next door, the name of which escapes me.
My dad had been in a car crash as a young man, ended up in Jimmy's for quite a while. He met a bloke in there who became a firm friend who'd been in a motor bike crash, lost his wife, I believe. At dad's funeral his pal told me that they met on the ward and that at the time they gave them a bottle of Guinness a day. The nurse had been distracted and dad had managed to get out of bed and hide a crate under this bloke's bed. He knew he'd found a kindred spirit.
Later he said dad asked a nurse if she was catholic as he had an inkling that she went to mass every Saturday evening. When she replied that she was he asked her to take him to mass next week. They got the ok from the matron or whatever it was in the 60s and the next Saturday headed out the front door of Jimmy's dad in a wheelchair. This is where dad said right I'll see you back here in an hour and headed to The Florence. After seeing my grandad cry and telling me, correctly, you're not supposed to bury your kids, this cheered everyone up tremendously.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It blew up? Really ? How, why?

We had a great pub outside our hospital in Lindley. The Fleece, sounds like a simular place. Didnt blow up though.


During a refurbishment a gas cylinder mysteriously exploded when nobody was around and certainly wasn't an insurance fiddle. It's now a car park.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gas leak wasn't it?
Used to drink in there from time to time and the one next door, the name of which escapes me.
My dad had been in a car crash as a young man, ended up in Jimmy's for quite a while. He met a bloke in there who became a firm friend who'd been in a motor bike crash, lost his wife, I believe. At dad's funeral his pal told me that they met on the ward and that at the time they gave them a bottle of Guinness a day. The nurse had been distracted and dad had managed to get out of bed and hide a crate under this bloke's bed. He knew he'd found a kindred spirit.
Later he said dad asked a nurse if she was catholic as he had an inkling that she went to mass every Saturday evening. When she replied that she was he asked her to take him to mass next week. They got the ok from the matron or whatever it was in the 60s and the next Saturday headed out the front door of Jimmy's dad in a wheelchair. This is where dad said right I'll see you back here in an hour and headed to The Florence. After seeing my grandad cry and telling me, correctly, you're not supposed to bury your kids, this cheered everyone up tremendously.


What a lovely story, it's what Reg used to be all about
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah lovely, evocative of a different age, nowadays there'd be an internal investigation along with calls for sackings and resignations and a massive compensation claim banged in prompted by ambulance chasing lawyers outside the pub.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frazier Cranium wrote:
Cutsyke wrote:
Gas leak wasn't it?
Used to drink in there from time to time and the one next door, the name of which escapes me.
My dad had been in a car crash as a young man, ended up in Jimmy's for quite a while. He met a bloke in there who became a firm friend who'd been in a motor bike crash, lost his wife, I believe. At dad's funeral his pal told me that they met on the ward and that at the time they gave them a bottle of Guinness a day. The nurse had been distracted and dad had managed to get out of bed and hide a crate under this bloke's bed. He knew he'd found a kindred spirit.
Later he said dad asked a nurse if she was catholic as he had an inkling that she went to mass every Saturday evening. When she replied that she was he asked her to take him to mass next week. They got the ok from the matron or whatever it was in the 60s and the next Saturday headed out the front door of Jimmy's dad in a wheelchair. This is where dad said right I'll see you back here in an hour and headed to The Florence. After seeing my grandad cry and telling me, correctly, you're not supposed to bury your kids, this cheered everyone up tremendously.


What a lovely story, it's what Reg used to be all about


Its a forum I genuinely miss!

PS Great story Cuts! Ta for sharing.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenn Tilbrook writes an article on pubs in this months CAMRA mag. His last paragraph reads thus

It always hurts when a pub closes. There was one called the Holland, just off the Mile End road, which shut 12-13 years ago. It had been in the same family for more than a hundred years, had all its original features, did great beer, but they let it go at some point, and it's now gone. That sort of place worms its way into your heart, and you end up thinking about it. I still miss it.

Yeah yeah, he could always go up the Junction but nice to think someone like him thinks the same
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No arguing with the Squeeze boys!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Family Jools?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Late Doors wrote:
Glenn Tilbrook writes an article on pubs in this months CAMRA mag. His last paragraph reads thus

It always hurts when a pub closes. There was one called the Holland, just off the Mile End road, which shut 12-13 years ago. It had been in the same family for more than a hundred years, had all its original features, did great beer, but they let it go at some point, and it's now gone. That sort of place worms its way into your heart, and you end up thinking about it. I still miss it.

Yeah yeah, he could always go up the Junction but nice to think someone like him thinks the same


C'mon LD, how many pubs do you know these days that have been passed down through generations of the same family? I know it's still a common thing in Ireland but it hasn't been like that for yonks in the UK. How many pubs even have Landlords, let alone full families involved in running them. Times change cocker! For every good Landlord who ran a good pub there would be a purple-nosed workshy people-hating lazy fucker spending too long on the customers side of the bar reading the paper. Lets have some balance in this rose-tinted stroll down memory lane.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'course there were a load of shit pubs of the type you describe that personally I couldn't give a toss about. Some great memories and laughs in for instance the Wellington, Unicorn, Shoehorn, White Hart etc in town but they were shitholes with crap beer and horrible managers but its partly because of all that crap that proper ace pubs stand out. I refute that rose tinted glasses accusation, I'm in no doubt about what was shit and what is better now and am certain I have perspective.

Never been in that pub Tilbrook was on about but it does sound special and if not typical it represents the ethos of great pubs that no longer exist except in the memory.

I've tried to analyse this nostalgia as you call it ('cos you make me think about stuff, cheers) and I think it's about communal spirit disappearing from our lives. It seems to me that there is deliberate social engineering going on that has deliberately removed platforms for people to come together and feel part of something bigger, whether that be Unions or pubs or other things like a national health service. Individualism, personal ambition and an implosion of care towards anything other than one's own family group has been cultivated and marketed incessantly  at us until we have caved in to it over a couple of generations. Pubs are only a tiny element of that
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I've never smoked cigs and it is a filthy habit which needed changes to the laws re public consumption etc etc but when they banned it in pubs, it changed a lot of the socialising aspect of pubs as well.  It negatively affected the social atmosphere of places, I always said they should permit non-smoking areas within pubs rather than make them all go outside.  

There's also the fact that the price of beer, wine and spirits in the shops is much lower than ever before compared to pub and bar prices.  People like staying in and getting pissed for much less expense.
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Yep, all part of the design.

I wouldn't say they were great pubs but the pack horse, wheatsheaf, brittania and waggon were great pre/post match drinks, as was the viaduct in town but look what happened to them. Now we have a chain pub and Billy's bar.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frazier Cranium wrote:
I've never smoked cigs and it is a filthy habit which needed changes to the laws re public consumption etc etc but when they banned it in pubs, it changed a lot of the socialising aspect of pubs as well. It negatively affected the social atmosphere of places, I always said they should permit non-smoking areas within pubs rather than make them all go outside.

There's also the fact that the price of beer, wine and spirits in the shops is much lower than ever before compared to pub and bar prices. People like staying in and getting pissed for much less expense.


I agree about the price of drinking in pubs and bars. There is so much of difference in cost with what the supermarkets charge that me and Mrs D don't miss going out as much. We enjoy eating and drinking at home.

Me:
4 X bottles of good real ale from a supermarket = 6.
4 X pints of real ale in most pubs = approx 16.

Her:
1 X bottle of decentish white wine = 8-9.
3 X large glasses of white wine in a restaurant or pub = approx 20.

Don't get me wrong I like going out, especially around here and in Hull's Old Town district and the 'Avenues' area outside of Hull's city centre but it's just for the novelty. At those prices I'd rather stay in. And it's not like we can't afford it, it's more on principal. Just as with going out on New Years Eve. I haven't bothered since the millennium one because I'm not enough of a mug to pay over a reasonable price for things.

As for LD's thing about society and community, where I live is a great community where people look out for each other and get involved in village life. Be it the annual village beer festival, the Spring village litter pick, the Christmas lights switch on, local sport, and stuff to do with the village school. There always will be community, it might just not take the shape of going down the pub for some people. Maybe it's the location. I've met more friendly people here in just over a year than I did in thirteen years of living in Leeds. I think LD's fears stem from him being allergic to his own house and a constant need to be out n' about all the time being a hedonist n' that. If I never went in another pub it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. As I say I love pubs but I'd get by without them.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just cant take to drinking in the house mate. Im not saying i dont do it, especially in the garden but two bottles is enough usually and wine bores me except with a steak, pizza or some special fish. I do like a snorter of Malt but i fear i would be embarking on the wrong road if it was anything other than special occasions. Probably stems from growing up, nobody did it in the house. I then lived on my own for twenty years and hardly ever drank at home.

Interesting you bring up supermarket prices. The whole tax system is geared towards making it easier for them to sell it cheaper as well as economies of scale, loss leader management, purchasing freedoms and very clever and subtle marketing. Pubs have no chance to compete especially when up to a third of their income is taxed. I wonder why goverments dont do something about that especially under massive lobbying from CAMRA and other pub friendly consumer groups. Nah, Thatcher shut the lid with her beer laws and successive governments have banged the nails in. Cant have these scum bags congregating in pubs, especially after we've taken away their jobs.

Btw it does sound ace where you live now and bang on about Westies not being that friendly. If i was charitable it put it down to reticence rather than unfriendliness.


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