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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:43 pm    Post subject: Ched Evans  Reply with quote

Interesting debate down the BSC last night. Surprisingly, it was ex-copper (and now head of security at the Ricoh) Ian who was most strongly in favour of allowing him to ply his trade again with the Sheff U as he had served his time, and like any criminal should be allowed a second chance.

Both Lee Hughes and the guy from Plymouth are playing again, and apparently have sorted themselves out - and they killed people.

There are plenty of others as well who have a bit of previous.

Personally I wouldn't let him back in until he shows some remorse.

With the backing of the millionaire father of his girlfriend (who bizarrely hasn't dumped him) and his own family, he is still fighting to have the unanimous verdict overturned. His pals used the opportunity of free speech offered by Twitter to 'out' the girl he raped.
So there's f all chance.

Imo he would better advised to wind his neck in as I don't think even Sheff U  will touch him with the proverbial long shitty whilst he continues to attract adverse publicity.

We all agreed that Ched was a stupid name though.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it short for Cheddar?

I think you're spot on there with the 'show remorse' comment... I listened to an interview with the Oldham chairman who signed Lee Hughes.  He said they signed him because he showed genuine remorse/contrition.  I don't know about that but if the chairman was being truthful then I respect that decision.  Sorry for using the term but until Evans actually admits his guilt then this is all a 'no brainer' for Sheff U as far as I'm concerned.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still reckon society needs to address the issue of so many people thinking its ok to get so pissed out of their heads they are not capable of keeping out of trouble. And thats for anything such as stepping out in front of a car to being too pissed to say no.

It's something I try to instil into my kids. If they listen, god knows.

Not condoning his actions because although he wasn't the one chucking alcohol down her neck he would have had a very good idea she was too pissed.
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Still reckon society needs to address the issue of so many people thinking its ok to get so pissed out of their heads they are not capable of keeping out of trouble. And thats for anything such as stepping out in front of a car to being too pissed to say no.

It's something I try to instil into my kids. If they listen, god knows.

Not condoning his actions because although he wasn't the one chucking alcohol down her neck he would have had a very good idea she was too pissed.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If somebody can't get back to work after coming out if prison then we might as well just send everybody to devils island or something. What i can't understand is how he got out after serving so little of his sentence if he's showing no remorse. Surely one of the main conditions of early release is rehabilitation, that is the main reason for prison right?. How can anyone be rehabilitated if they don't think they have done anything wrong.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point.

Not in agreement about the letting people return to work comment though LD, this isn't a normal case and in my 'umble, he shouldn't be allowed to return to work as a professional footballer.  Not here anyway, it just doesn't seem right but there again, if his appeal succeeds and he somehow is found not guilty now, then it will even get dafter a situation.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ched's short for Chedwyn btw. Neither of them would make it through any spellchecker.

What pisses me off is the thought of little kids in Sheffield who probably don't understand what he's done walking round with his shirt number and name on.

His behaviour both before and after the crime suggests he's an arrogant twat. Perhaps i'm being harsh.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's thick as pig shit.  He's released a video statement to ask for a second chance but he hasn't apologised to the girl he was convicted of raping and he has apparently said he will continue to work to clear his name.

It's too knotted is all of this.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What pisses me off is the thought of little kids in Sheffield who probably don't understand what he's done walking round with his shirt number and name on.


I hope they don't stray into Rotherham then!!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally agree about if somebody has served their time they should be able to work BUT, as Codge say’s this isn’t working in a warehouse it’s being in a very privileged job in which you are a role model and in the public eye. I don’t think he should be taken on by any football club because it darkens the image of the sport. I know you all groan when I mention racing but a slightly similar debate came up recently regarding a jockey called Fergal Lynch. Lynch was banned from riding in Britain for ten years by the British Horseracing Authority for the most despicable act a jock can carry out professionally: Stopping a horse in a race for his own personal financial gain. He’s now back racing after his ban has been served. But IMO he should never race here again. Because whilst he’s still riding there will always be that tiny doubt in peoples mind about his honesty. To conclude, anyone that stains the image and integrity of any sport by their association with it shouldn’t be allowed back into it. They have capacity of thought for their actions and responsibilities that come with such a great working life doing what they love so when they decide to fuck that up completely they should be banished from it for the rest of their lives. But with this being English football a sport who’s players, owners, and fans are lower than a snakes belly when it comes to integrity he’ll probably be welcomed back with open arms.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Totally agree about if somebody has served their time they should be able to work BUT, as Codge say’s this isn’t working in a warehouse it’s being in a very privileged job in which you are a role model and in the public eye. I don’t think he should be taken on by any football club because it darkens the image of the sport. I know you all groan when I mention racing but a slightly similar debate came up recently regarding a jockey called Fergal Lynch. Lynch was banned from riding in Britain for ten years by the British Horseracing Authority for the most despicable act a jock can carry out professionally: Stopping a horse in a race for his own personal financial gain. He’s now back racing after his ban has been served. But IMO he should never race here again. Because whilst he’s still riding there will always be that tiny doubt in peoples mind about his honesty. To conclude, anyone that stains the image and integrity of any sport by their association with it shouldn’t be allowed back into it. They have capacity of thought for their actions and responsibilities that come with such a great working life doing what they love so when they decide to fuck that up completely they should be banished from it for the rest of their lives. But with this being English football a sport who’s players, owners, and fans are lower than a snakes belly when it comes to integrity he’ll probably be welcomed back with open arms.


Can't see your argument as he wasn't on a football pitch at the time, he didn't bring the sport into disrepute unlike the jockey you mentioned.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point is it doesn't matter if it's on the pitch or not. That kind of position and profession comes with responsibilities. And if you can't act accordingly and your public image tarnishes the greater good of a sport or organisation you should fuck off and do something else.
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My point is it doesn't matter if it's on the pitch or not. That kind of position and profession comes with responsibilities. And if you can't act accordingly and your public image tarnishes the greater good of a sport or organisation you should fuck off and do something else.


Why didn't you just say that instead of faffing on about horses then.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The more I read the more I believe that Evans isn't after justice, he's after revenge.
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Dock wrote:
My point is it doesn't matter if it's on the pitch or not. That kind of position and profession comes with responsibilities. And if you can't act accordingly and your public image tarnishes the greater good of a sport or organisation you should fuck off and do something else.


Why didn't you just say that instead of faffing on about horses then.


I used a similar example of somebody serving a sentence/punishment and then returning to their sport. Kin' ell Foz keep up lad.
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That what i don't get, why should sport be treated differently. In every other way from freedom of contract and other  market forces to the rip off way it treats its customers  it's just like any other ahem, industry. If it's because impressionable kids watch it then I'm afraid it's got well beyond the role model status a long time ago. In fact I'd say with its greed, moral conduct, behaviour, win at all costs principles, degrading attitude to the paying public and celebrity worship it has already defined what we want kids to grow up as. Might as well chuck rapist in with the other criminals, sorry thats a bit flippant but its early.

Courts, the judicial and penal systems should be the ones managing the sentence, punishing etc i don't think its everyday day life post sentence that should carry that on. I'll concede Sex offences might be the exception and some protective process put in place for certain occupations and certain offenders but  is football really one of those occupations is he really one if those offenders. I haven't a clue about the latter cos i haven't been interested in following it.  I do know that football isn't some kind of sacred occupation where it and its worshippers need protection from potential preying sex fiends. It's just another occupation and the footballers just employees.

Again what fucks me off most is that he has been given a paltry sentence for an extremely serious offence and been let out early seemingly not giving a fuck about what he has done. Contrast that to those Leeds lads carrying on in Hudders town center who got several years for no more than fucking about like kids do. Those others who got sent down for years for scrapping with the spurs fans on Boar Lane. Then again with what's happened in SA. Nah the fault lies firmly and squarely in the ridiculous judicial and penal systems. They are the institutions that are supposed to influence impressionable kids and everyone else for that matter. All they do though is look after the establishment along with the rich and famous. It's  none of  footballs business, certainly not these days when the game has already sold its soul.
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That what i don't get, why should sport be treated differently. In every other way from freedom of contract and other  market forces to the rip off way it treats its customers  it's just like any other ahem, industry. If it's because impressionable kids watch it then I'm afraid it's got well beyond the role model status a long time ago. In fact I'd say with its greed, moral conduct, behaviour, win at all costs principles, degrading attitude to the paying public and celebrity worship it has already defined what we want kids to grow up as. Might as well chuck rapist in with the other criminals, sorry thats a bit flippant but its early.

Courts, the judicial and penal systems should be the ones managing the sentence, punishing etc i don't think its everyday day life post sentence that should carry that on. I'll concede Sex offences might be the exception and some protective process put in place for certain occupations and certain offenders but  is football really one of those occupations is he really one if those offenders. I haven't a clue about the latter cos i haven't been interested in following it.  I do know that football isn't some kind of sacred occupation where it and its worshippers need protection from potential preying sex fiends. It's just another occupation and the footballers just employees.

Again what fucks me off most is that he has been given a paltry sentence for an extremely serious offence and been let out early seemingly not giving a fuck about what he has done. Contrast that to those Leeds lads carrying on in Hudders town center who got several years for no more than fucking about like kids do. Those others who got sent down for years for scrapping with the spurs fans on Boar Lane. Then again with what's happened in SA. Nah the fault lies firmly and squarely in the ridiculous judicial and penal systems. They are the institutions that are supposed to influence impressionable kids and everyone else for that matter. All they do though is look after the establishment along with the rich and famous. It's  none of  footballs business, certainly not these days when the game has already sold its soul.


Re: sportsmen and women not being role models anymore.

So are you saying fuck it's too late, let's have whichever idiots want to play? A lot of sport is tarnished by idiots playing it and running it so that's why it's even more important to try and strive for decency and fairplay and not condone people like Evans getting back into such an influential role. I'm disappointed and surprised at your apathy LD as you are so passionate and knowledgeable about such a variety of sports.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think your use of the word 'condone' is perfect there, as it is a crucial point in this whole situation - people who want Evans back in football are, I think it's argued, being seen as condoning his actions, that of being a convicted rapist.  Plenty argue back that our society is supposed to be liberal enough to allow him back as he has at least officially paid his debt.

It's all too vague for me, I just know that I'd be disgusted, appalled etc etc if he was a Leeds player and they allowed him back in to the club.  But we've had too many of our own convicted scrotes this century, to make football an even scummier cess pit than it was before.  

Football is massive now compared to the 70s when I was a kid, dreaming about football glory and idolizing certain players.  I don't even know if 'role models' even existed then but for the life of me I can't relate with that description now... maybe I'm just missing something or am an ignoramus.
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Who's condoning it? not me and I'm far from indifferent or apathetic. It's about perspective and context. Fewer things make me angrier than distorted justice that differentiates between rich and poor. It's happening all the time all over the world but is that not supposed to matter because its either thousands of miles away or doesn't immediately affect us. That's what i call indifference and apathy.

Lest it gets boring making my same point several times it is for the justice system  to manage justice and be accountable for any violation of justice. If it lets us down as it is doing time and time again we should be directing our anger towards that system and not the game. That is what I call apathy and indifference.

Again i ask how come an unrepentant rapist  has been let out early? It's because our jails are full of  people locked up for petty crimes while the worlds real criminals continue to make war, plunder our wealth and steal our rights. I know full well where the real indifference and apathy lay.

it is also or at least should be an inalienable right in a fair society for someone to be able to earn a living after doing the time for a crime. I suspect "the game" would be violating some human rights by denying an ex con the right to work anyway and rightfully so.  But don't worry  those rights will soon be wiped away if these aresholes get another term. As long as we can deport a few foreign criminals that's ok then. That is what I call indifference and apathy.

There is a real and fundamental threat to our democracy, freedoms and rights if we shift our focus away from the real instruments of justice and expect sport to be our moral guidance and justice dispenser. If the fans don't want someone like Evans then don't go to the game, or turn their back on him, or boo him anything to let him know he isn't welcome. Make it as unpleasant as possible for him, take some initiative themselves. As for impressionable kids getting the wrong message then again i say get the countries justice system right and stop letting rich people off and throwing the full might of the law onto poorer people. That would be a good start in creating a good impression of the system. Stop passing the buck of justice onto sport.

Yeah I might have been flippant re the point about its fucked might as well get fuckter but there's an element of inconsistency if not hypocrisy . Why aren't fans up in arms about all the other shysters? One in particular, that  bent spiv down that there for instance where  our beloved justice system seems to be at odds with every other sentient being on the planet in deeming him fit n proper. How  can a justice system allow that.

Sorry mate you might not agree with me and that's fine ( don't like the disappointed thing though   ) but I am not apathetic or indifferent, far from it. i just think the law, justice, crime and punishment processes are way way bigger than football.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simply based on the context of bringing the game into disrepute and "role model" transgressions on the pitch, there's a pretty good argument for saying Evans should be allowed to play and Suarez definitely shouldn't.

Obviously the opposite is always going to be more likely, but not for better footballing reasons.

Or moral reasons.

I'd personally rather I neither saw nor heard of Evans ever again, but that's got nothing to do with justice which, if the courts performed their functions correctly, has supposedly been seen to have been served.

Again, I'm not agreeing with it, but, to coin a footballing turn of phrase, surely you can't move the goalposts after the fact without questions being raised about every justice-related decision?


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