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grunt

World Cup bid

Listening to it now

Butts

The twitter/reverse google feed from @Lolw is all the nation needs to follow this.
Pond Life

I'm not sure what was more embarrassing, the bid or the mild round of applause it received.
grunt

Butts wrote:
The twitter/reverse google feed from @Lolw is all the nation needs to follow this.


I don't know what that means but ta.
grunt

Pond Life wrote:
I'm not sure what was more embarrassing, the bid or the mild round of applause it received.


I'm not sure this Russian effort is mawkish enough.
grunt

Orange lady speaking now.
Pond Life

I'm frozen with anticipation.
Pond Life

Wish they would hurry up, i cant wait to be disappointed.
Pond Life

Naturally if we dont win it, i foresee that admin will lose quite a lot of money over it.
bearing

Admin have elected Foo as the new Reg finance minister, please address all enquiries to him forthwith.
Pond Life

Telegraph columnist tweeting we are out first round.
Pond Life

Bloke from the Times saying the same.
bearing

bearing suggesting we're out.

2030 at the earliest for our next go.
bearing

He just said which nations will host it.

So it aint us an Russia then...
Butts

Qatar for 2022 - they're going to dismantle some of the stadia after the tournament has finished
Forest

bearing wrote:
He just said which nations will host it.

So it aint us an Russia then...


It's Russia, I'm happy for little Sasha

Then it's Qatar (who?)
grunt

We came 4th  

Did they not hear the bit about Beckham's grandad?  
NotSoSuperStripe

I bet Ken Bates is gutted
Pond Life

Grind

It's hard to argue that Qatar isn't the best choice given the presumed criteria of legacy sites and the suchlike.

And it will be nice and sunny.
Forest

England only had 2 votes
Grind

Forest wrote:
England only had 2 votes


We presumably couldn't afford any more.

To be fair, I don't think we should really have been considered until after we've totally fecked up the 2012 Olympics.

Is it just Russia, or some of the other old soviet bloc countires getting a look in too?
Seal

I wonder how many Leeds players will be in the 2018 squad?
Grind

Seal wrote:
I wonder how many Leeds players will be in the 2018 squad?


If there are any, they'll surely be dropped before half past eight.
bearing

As PL has reminded us elsewhere, the World will end in the Autumn of 2012 so it's all pretty irrelevant anyway.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

did anyone apart from some numpties in the press really think England would land that? I think we lack awareness of how much we are hated across the world as a nation for our days of Empire, our wealth and influence and our role as poodle to the USA for the last 60 years.

We always play these things far too straight and honestly - look how hamfistedly they tried to bribe them last year with the posh handluggage  

How do you get alot of asian and black middleaged to elderly corrupt men on side?

a) have your chairman forced to resign for saying its all corrupt and the Spanish are bribing the russians or whatever

b) the week of the vote have your national broadcaster do a massive expose of FIFA delegate corruption

c) send along three of the the poshest/richest youngest/most iconic/most famous/most glamourous Englishmen on Earth to pitch to them

You just knew Russia (a 'mafia state' according to a.... mafia judge who brought to justice over 70 russian mafiosa in Spain) had it in the bag when Putin announced he wouldnt be going to Zurich after all..... unless they were nominated  

Then if you had any doubts it was fixed and bought they vote for fucking tiny red hot Qatar for 2022...
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

and now the TV news are talking about "the inquest into how we lost it" - they should look very close to home - I include papers like the Mail and NOTW in that - not just the BBC and the mischief making Murdoch Media
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

amended to say - I'm sure they arent all corrupt but there was too much 'quid pro quo' going on with the votes - especially picking the venue of two world cups at the same time - it was like the regional politics of Eurovision voting x2
NotSoSuperStripe

Typical English attitude... we think we can go in, insult everyone on the way, think we can send in the officer class to smooth things over and moan when we get shafted.

Labour sports shadow minister calling for an inquest. What a fucking knob. An inquest at great expense into why English football has such a superiority complex that we thought we could walk it? The answer is in the question, knobhead.

Im all for the media exposing shady practice... and if people are taking bribes to offer world cup votes, it should be out there in capital letters. But when its revealed by our press, our arrogance is even greater if we think we can expose the corruption and still get their votes.
Late Doors

Quote:
Labour sports shadow minister calling for an inquest. What a fucking knob


my thoughts exactly as soon as  i heard  and it has totally taken the expected dismay off the whole thing for me. Yeah not for one minute did i ever think we'd get it but im pleased we didn't for some reason. Im going to have to give that some more thinks to find out why i am
Grind

I guess it just takes a lot of fretting and fingering practice in order to successfully play lead Qatar.
lebowski

FIFA are a corrupt organisation. End of story.

Bad Santa might be off now though, lets look on the bright side.
fartcatcher

Makes you wonder how we managed to land the olympics.

The IOC must be less corrupt than FIFA or hate us less.

Sending a couple of public school boundahs who've never had more than a passing acqaintance with a football probably made things significantly worse. And Bckham should have combed his hair.
lebowski

Big up to Cameroon, our biggest fans.

Our only fans.
Pond Life

lebowski wrote:
Big up to Cameroon, our biggest fans.

Our only fans.


He has refused to congratulate Putin, he also said there was nothing clean or fair about the decision. I love him for that.
lebowski

Pond Life wrote:
lebowski wrote:
Big up to Cameroon, our biggest fans.

Our only fans.


He has refused to congratulate Putin, he also said there was nothing clean or fair about the decision. I love him for that.


Who has ?
fartcatcher

lebowski wrote:
Pond Life wrote:
lebowski wrote:
Big up to Cameroon, our biggest fans.

Our only fans.


He has refused to congratulate Putin, he also said there was nothing clean or fair about the decision. I love him for that.


Who has ?


are we talking about David Cameroon here?
Pond Life

Yes. Cameron.
lebowski

No, our only vote, other than voting for ourselves came from the delegate from Cameroon.
Pond Life

Last night Downing Street did little to hide its anger and said Mr Cameron had no plans to congratulate the Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin personally ‘at the present time’.

When Mr Cameron met Russian president Dmitry Medvedev he had challenged him to a ‘good clean fight’ but last night the Prime Minister’s official spokesman refused to say the voting process was either good or clean.

http://www.downloadsedge.com/was-...o-congratulate-russia/2010/12/03/

Sorry FC i missed the Cameroon joke
fartcatcher

The man they ought to get to sort this mess out is Lord Coe. He led the successful Olympic bid and was involved in this fiasco. At least he can talk from a position of strength when they have a proper post-mortem.

We wheeled our 'big guns' out too late.

Call me a hypocfrite if you like, but if someonew knocks on my doore before the electection and asks me if i'm going to vore for them then i always say yes so they fuck off and i can get on with watching the telly. (maybe not for NF or Plaid Cynru).
I expect these FIFA delegate types operate in much the same way.
lebowski

fartcatcher wrote:
The man they ought to get to sort this mess out is Lord Coe. He led the successful Olympic bid and was involved in this fiasco. At least he can talk from a position of strength when they have a proper post-mortem.

We wheeled our 'big guns' out too late.

Call me a hypocfrite if you like, but if someonew knocks on my doore before the electection and asks me if i'm going to vore for them then i always say yes so they fuck off and i can get on with watching the telly. (maybe not for NF or Plaid Cynru).
I expect these FIFA delegate types operate in much the same way.


I won't call you a hypocrite, no.

But I think you are missing the whole point, we could have sent Jesus and Mohammed as part of our delegation and we still would not have got the votes. Unless thay had plenty of dosh in their pockets.

The whole thing is a sham, its about who can give the corrupt FIFA  delegates the biggest bribes.

How else can anyone possibly justify Qatar, a country with only one major city and approximately 20 football clubs, a team that has never competed in the world cup finals, being selected.

It is not even well hidden, that vote was about as honest as the Eurovision song contest, the thing is, we gave a shit about this vote.

For once I actually agree with Ken Bates, we should ditch FIFA and form our own organisation with the other major footballing nations.
lebowski

So Blatter is going to be re-elected unopposed - and who was the man who dropped out because of corruption allegations ? -the delegate from Qatar.

We really should consider pulling out of FIFA and forming a breakaway organisation, I think it is the only way we can break the corrupt grip these people have over the game of football.
lolwarlol

lebowski wrote:
So Blatter is going to be re-elected unopposed - and who was the man who dropped out because of corruption allegations ? -the delegate from Qatar.

We really should consider pulling out of FIFA and forming a breakaway organisation, I think it is the only way we can break the corrupt grip these people have over the game of football.


Yes but to bastardise a quote from Homer Simpson. It takes two people to bribe, one to offer the money and one to accept it. What is th point of pulling out of an organisation to join another with the same people who are willing to offer bribes?

I think that its the age old problem of the organisation/system being ok, the problem is the people in it.

I do agree with you that something fairly radical needs to happen so that the organisation of football gets back some integrity.
lebowski

Clacker wrote:
A few choice snippets from today's FIFA conference:

Congo FA: "He who accuses must provide evidence..." A single candidate sometimes proves that people are satisfied with that candidate," (loud applause from the floor.)

Benin: "We must be proud to belong to Fifa. We must massively express our support to President Blatter. Please applaud!" (Cue loud applause.)

Cyprus FA: "Allegations - what a beautiful English word ... Someone stands up says a few things... without a single shred of truth."

Argentina FA: "It looks like England is always complaining so please I say will you leave the Fifa family alone! ... We always have attacks from England ... Their journalism is more busy lying than telling the truth."


It is fucking shocking, we need to do the right thing and resign.
grunt

lebowski wrote:
Clacker wrote:
A few choice snippets from today's FIFA conference:

Congo FA: "He who accuses must provide evidence..." A single candidate sometimes proves that people are satisfied with that candidate," (loud applause from the floor.)

Benin: "We must be proud to belong to Fifa. We must massively express our support to President Blatter. Please applaud!" (Cue loud applause.)

Cyprus FA: "Allegations - what a beautiful English word ... Someone stands up says a few things... without a single shred of truth."

Argentina FA: "It looks like England is always complaining so please I say will you leave the Fifa family alone! ... We always have attacks from England ... Their journalism is more busy lying than telling the truth."


It is fucking shocking, we need to do the right thing and resign.


Ken 'transparency' Bates agrees.

http://www.leedsunited.com/news/2...ed-chairman-urges_2247585_2369952
grunt

Sir Bulldog Craggwood

the guy from Argentina.... last time i heard anything from him he was saying Jews can't be referees because they dont work hard enough


Quote:
Julio Grondona responds to a journalist's question about referee standards in Argentina by saying: "I do not believe a Jew can ever be a referee at this level. It's hard work and, you know, Jews don't like hard work."
bearing

Clacker wrote:
lebowski wrote:
So Blatter is going to be re-elected unopposed - and who was the man who dropped out because of corruption allegations ? -the delegate from Qatar.

We really should consider pulling out of FIFA and forming a breakaway organisation, I think it is the only way we can break the corrupt grip these people have over the game of football.


Quite agree. I think it would have the support of UK fans at least. Only approx 30 of the participating organisations supported the English and Scottish FAs call for today's vote to be delayed. The corruption is rife.

Have to say that, for all the undoubted and oft-discussed faults of the English FA, its in their favour (if its true!) as far as I'm concerned that they didn't try to bring the World Cup here via bribes and that they took a stance against today's election of Blatter.

Sadly I suspect the latter will be seen/spun as sour grapes for the failed World Cup bid by other countries.


Hey, it's all swings and roundabouts, remember when someone high up in FIFA came out with allegations of bribery and corruption and missing money, I think it was early 2000s, we never made much fuss about it.  This time however we've an axe to grind, 'cause we ost out on the Finals.  The whole thing is politicised, and to be fair we're no better than any of the others.

I recall the Scottish representative not voting for some reason in a World Cup 'election' meaning South Africa lost out to Germany, he never gave a reason why he did it, just said he had his reasons. (perhaps it was a brown envelope stuffed full of cash).  We also had a some shenanigans with Germany, didn't we have a agreement with them that we would have Euro 96 and they go for the 2010 Finals and then we considered applying for it?
Plastic Man

I believe the result was due to something called the "democratic process", a term often bandied about, but apparently frequently misunderstood.

I can't see why there's such a big fuss. The fact there was only one candidate doesn't mean it is procedurally invalid. And just because one doesn't like the result, doesn't mean the election was unfair.

I see this akin to a local social or sporting club. It is not uncommon for one man to be stay in power for donkey years. Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean he's doing a bad job. You could always stand against him.

And if the worst comes to the worst and you scraped 10% support (as per the vote today), you could always start your own club and see how you get on.

It would be interesting to see how things turned out. Without FIFA's say-so, would England be allowed to compete in other competitions, say, the European Championship? And could FIFA threaten long-term sanctions against people playing in England? Would so many overseas players be willing to come to bolster "the greatest league in the world" (as I believe it likes to present itself) if that were the case?
sheeps

Plastic Man wrote:
I believe the result was due to something called the "democratic process", a term often bandied about, but apparently frequently misunderstood.

I can't see why there's such a big fuss. The fact there was only one candidate doesn't mean it is procedurally invalid. And just because one doesn't like the result, doesn't mean the election was unfair.

I see this akin to a local social or sporting club. It is not uncommon for one man to be stay in power for donkey years. Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean he's doing a bad job. You could always stand against him.
And if the worst comes to the worst and you scraped 10% support (as per the vote today), you could always start your own club and see how you get on.

It would be interesting to see how things turned out. Without FIFA's say-so, would England be allowed to compete in other competitions, say, the European Championship? And could FIFA threaten long-term sanctions against people playing in England? Would so many overseas players be willing to come to bolster "the greatest league in the world" (as I believe it likes to present itself) if that were the case?


Your talking about me you.

Had this at a meeting last night, I learnt a long time ago there wasn't going to be any gratitude or appreciation, right about the time I found out criticisism was to be the order of the day. Every year all of our members are given the opportunurty to join the committee, never a taker.

We have five people that run a football club with eighteen teams a 300 grand astro turf and changing room facility and six acres of field. It's tough sometimes.
Tank Girl

great blog on this. written before election - all predicted within.

http://stuartsmithsblog.wordpress...and-max-mosley-are-two-of-a-kind/
Butts

Read that earlier and love the description of Fifa as a 'closed mercantile organisation'  
lebowski

Plastic Man wrote:
I believe the result was due to something called the "democratic process", a term often bandied about, but apparently frequently misunderstood.

I can't see why there's such a big fuss. The fact there was only one candidate doesn't mean it is procedurally invalid. And just because one doesn't like the result, doesn't mean the election was unfair.

I see this akin to a local social or sporting club. It is not uncommon for one man to be stay in power for donkey years. Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean he's doing a bad job. You could always stand against him.

And if the worst comes to the worst and you scraped 10% support (as per the vote today), you could always start your own club and see how you get on.

It would be interesting to see how things turned out. Without FIFA's say-so, would England be allowed to compete in other competitions, say, the European Championship? And could FIFA threaten long-term sanctions against people playing in England? Would so many overseas players be willing to come to bolster "the greatest league in the world" (as I believe it likes to present itself) if that were the case?


I respect your right to opinion PM, I just feel the need to give mine about it and that is that you are talking utter tosh on this occasion.

Democratic process my arse.
Plastic Man

lebowski wrote:
I respect your right to opinion PM, I just feel the need to give mine about it and that is that you are talking utter tosh on this occasion.

Democratic process my arse.


As I say, that's how democracy works. It perhaps does seem counter intuitive in the scheme of things that the vote of the Turks and Caicos Islands and Kyrgyzstan counts the same as England and Germany.

Or perhaps the voting should be weighted somehow?

For what it's worth, I think how FIFA operates stinks. But Blatter is a politico and knows how to play the popularity vote, hence the overwhelming victory.
lebowski

Plastic Man wrote:
lebowski wrote:
I respect your right to opinion PM, I just feel the need to give mine about it and that is that you are talking utter tosh on this occasion.

Democratic process my arse.


As I say, that's how democracy works. It perhaps does seem counter intuitive in the scheme of things that the vote of the Turks and Caicos Islands and Kyrgyzstan counts the same as England and Germany.

Or perhaps the voting should be weighted somehow?

For what it's worth, I think how FIFA operates stinks. But Blatter is a politico and knows how to play the popularity vote, hence the overwhelming victory.


That is true
Tank Girl

Butts wrote:
Read that earlier and love the description of Fifa as a 'closed mercantile organisation'  


he's great isnt he

my first editor. great guy.
he generally uses one word in each article that i have to go and look up
fartcatcher

Tank Girl wrote:
Butts wrote:
Read that earlier and love the description of Fifa as a 'closed mercantile organisation'  


he's great isnt he

my first editor. great guy.
he generally uses one word in each article that i have to go and look up


very good article. I like the mixture of long and short sentences. Too many long sentences and I lose the plot. Too many short ones and it's like someone is shouting at you.

Not an asterisk to be seen either

FIFA seem to have based their governance on the Freemasons.

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