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fartcatcher

Trump, Trump, Trump

Time to get the tin hat on. I reckon he's a nailed on certainty now.

His unique mix of gung-ho imperialism, xenophobia bordering on racism, personal insults, intolerance, ignorance of politics and bad hair seems to appeal to the gun-toting US electorate.
The Republicans don't like their politicians too bright and he certainly fits the bill. However, unlike George W and Reagan, I don't think he understands that he's just there to be a figurehead.

Just off to watch Dr Strangelove again.
Dock

Maybe a certainty for the Republican nomination but not for the presidency. There's another nine months before the election. If I was a betting man (leave it) I wouldn't back him to secure the presidency of the United States. In the final analysis he's a fucking idiot and I hope he doesn't win anything. But that's my personal opinion. A lot of Republicans are publically denouncing him and they know that in the long term he's dangerous for trade and U.S foreign policy. U.S. big business need to keep sweet with the Arab oil-producing nations and he isn't the man they want in the big chair. I think even the voters that are fond of him now will soon find his arrogance tiresome in the near future. He'll talk HIMSELF out of the running. He's no Statesman.
Grind

Trump is his own worst enemy, but I think Cruz is actually the scarier of the two, from an "actually getting elected" point of view. An intolerant religious nut job of the highest order.

I have probably said this on here before, but I really dislike Hillary for some reason that I've not quite figured out yet, but she could well cackle her way to the White House.

More knobheads than figureheads.
Grind

Anyone putting themselves forward as a presidential candidate should automatically be disqualified.

I never bothered to listen to him much, but Jeb Bush was possibly the best qualified (and even reasonable) of the original Republican candidates.

Will Bloomberg jump into the vacuum as a third option?
Heyho

Grind wrote:
I never bothered to listen to him much, but Jeb Bush was possibly the best qualified (and even reasonable) of the original Republican candidates.


And totally out of touch or ill advised. Seen posing with his first gun - ermm ok in Texas maybe.

Isn't Trump developing Wentworth or some other golf curse over here? Not that it will have any bearing on the result like or the fact I think he is a plonker. But so are most the candidates (eeek I nearly said elective candidates but its actual those with the most $$$$$$$$$$$)

Let them get on with it.
Grind

It makes having hereditary royalty almost seem rational.

Almost.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Trump is the one candidate from all parties who has made the least war-mongering statements. He actually wants to trim military overseas spending and entanglements. In many ways he's an American isolationist

He's not needing the money of any lobbyists or Wall Street banks to fund his campaign - therefore he's beholden to his own crazy agenda and the policies him and his team think up. That can be quite refreshing

Unlike Hillary and ahem Rubio all his skeletons are out of the closet

He's not a religious nut and he can't be bullied and blackmailed unlike the others (Bernie probably excepted from that)

The mainstream media may concertedly misquote him on his 'Muslim immigration ban' and the ridiculous suggestion he's KKK but when the party establishments, mainstream media, big money try that desperately to destroy and smear him you can bet they feel threatened by him

I've read his stupid books and watched him on the USA Apprentice for years - he's a typical American billionaire but he's not as bad as they are making out
Dock

He isn't entirely self funding though. I thought he was because he has always said that....... up until this weeks edition of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (see the 'what are you watching thread' in the entertainment section). Some of the revelations on that made me look into it and I found this online as well:

http://www.politico.com/story/201...nald-trump-fec-fundraising-214838
Dock

The John Oliver clip. Enjoy!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TGc2nN9OguQ
Grind

Ted Cruz explains everything...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/new..._campaign=usatoday-newstopstories
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Dock wrote:
He isn't entirely self funding though. I thought he was because he has always said that....... up until this weeks edition of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (see the 'what are you watching thread' in the entertainment section). Some of the revelations on that made me look into it and I found this online as well:

http://www.politico.com/story/201...nald-trump-fec-fundraising-214838


Indeed he has taken small donations online from supporters and erm... loaned himself a lot of money (how does that work? Sounds like something Ridsdale, Bates etc might do)

But he isn't reliant on people like Sheldon Adelson, the Koch Brothers, AT&T, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, oil companies

Part of the problem with American politics is the country is so big you need to a huge amount (YUGE!) to run any successful political campaign so dynasties develop (Roosevelt, Kennedy, Bush, Clinton) and all political interests have had to coagulate into two vast parties that a lot of Americans feel totally alienated from

America probably needs breaking up into two or four friendly but competitive districts with individual Presidencies/governments to reinvigorate it
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Grind wrote:
Ted Cruz explains everything...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/new..._campaign=usatoday-newstopstories


Cruz has the look of a young Lyndon Baines Johnson with a hint of Grandpa Munster and a sprinkling of ice-cream man

Rubio looks like a retired male stripper

Sanders looks like Larry David and Colonel Sanders

Trump looks like his spray tan hit his hair - I understand his big shoulders and weird posture on podiums is he is wearing a big bulky bullets proof vest

Hillary looks like she's running to gain immunity from prosecution
Grind

Sir Bulldog Craggwood wrote:
Grind wrote:
Ted Cruz explains everything...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/new..._campaign=usatoday-newstopstories


Cruz has the look of a young Lyndon Baines Johnson with a hint of Grandpa Munster and a sprinkling of ice-cream man

Rubio looks like a retired male stripper

Sanders looks like Larry David and Colonel Sanders

Trump looks like his spray tan hit his hair - I understand his big shoulders and weird posture on podiums is he is wearing a big bulky bullets proof vest

Hillary looks like she's running to gain immunity from prosecution


Probably right on all counts. *

Mitt has just given an anti-Trump speech.

Expect some fun.....

* My spelling was never very good
Cutsyke

I think Clinton will win.
Dock

Cutsyke wrote:
I think Clinton will win.


George?

'One Nation Under a Groove' would be a killer campaign slogan.

There will now be FOUR branches of government: Legislative, Executive, Judicial, and the newly declared Mothership Connection. Dig!
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Dock wrote:
Cutsyke wrote:
I think Clinton will win.


George?

'One Nation Under a Groove' would be a killer campaign slogan.

There will now be FOUR branches of government: Legislative, Executive, Judicial, and the newly declared Mothership Connection. Dig!


LOL - Is he still with us old George?

I think Hillary will come unstuck with stress and ill health - she has this recurring coughing fit and looks dreadful as does Bill. We underestimate the travel and work involved in a presidential campaign. Three of these runners are grandparents. Its why Rubio or Cruz may yet win through if they hang in there

I can see Hillary winning, yes, if the email thing stays on the back burner but I can also see her dropping out and the Dems bringing in Biden as a good ol' boy LBJ type caretaker
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

House of Cards - art imitating life as someone close to the Frank Underwood campaign leaks to the media an old photo of Frank's dead father palling around with a KKK grand wizard
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Late Doors

Independently wealthy? Well if independent wealth is not earned but rather gifted in an inheritance maybe he is. Hes been Bankrupt four times, cynically or incompetently and apparently would be wealthier than he is now if he had just stuck the inheritance into a building society or So I've read somewhere.

Some say isolationist, others say ugly nationalist but is isolation what the republicans want? After half a century rampaging across the planet either massacring it with their own bombs or selling them to the worlds phsychos they now want to come home and lock the doors? Too late for that now.

Its always the same with right wing nut jobs. Their first rallying call to the easy led is " let's make our country great again". I've got news for him.America is still great it is just having to adjust like everywhere else to other country's been able to make motors cars cheaper than they can. This after their own companies have spent billions if not trillions investing in developing  country's capability to the detriment of their own. Again, too late.

Truth is no one knows what he would do because because he has declared no policies other than populist baseline rhetoric. At least that is what I have found trying to find out what he stands for
Grind

Trump stands for, errr, Trump.

It's going to be a choice between a cackling witch or a self-obssessed warlock.
Late Doors

Also donated to the Democrat's campaigns over the years including Hilary Clinton's last time.
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Dock

Saw this on Twitter the other day. Don't know when it's from.

Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Dock wrote:
Saw this on Twitter the other day. Don't know when it's from.



Donald and Melania's wedding

He's an old friend of the Clinton's. Hung out with Bill at Jeffrey Epstein's brothel/island

The Donald has also made contributions to Bill and Hillary's political campaigns as he was formerly a Democrat

American politics is a disgrace really

One thing is for sure - Trump vs Hillary will be the dirtiest fight ever

Very crafty of Cruz's people to re-publicise old nudie photos of Melania Trump just before the Utah vote - it caused the Trump vote to collapse and switch to Cruz. Cruz is done though - not even a brokered convention can stop Trump now
fartcatcher

I still think Trump is a pretty vile human being, but Clinton hasn't covered herself in glory either.
There must be something seriously wrong with the selection process if you end up having to choose between these two.

I expect Trump to win for the same reason as Brexit won. He has the capacity to bring people to the ballot box who previously have never voted due to apathy/disillusionment/clash with the hunting season etc.

Obama had a very broad appeal, which Clinton hasn't. He's an excellent orator, she's about as charismatic as an advert for paper clips. Plus - after eight years of Democrat rule - people might fancy a change.

I would still vote for Clinton if I was a Yank, not because I like her, but because she's less likely to grab Angela Merkel's pussy or start WW3.
carp

The mental image I now have of Trump grabbing Merkel's pussy has done for me on this thread. I never even imagined she had one.
Grind

carp wrote:
The mental image I now have of Trump grabbing Merkel's pussy has done for me on this thread. I never even imagined she had one.


There are photos of it on the web.

Not that I've looked. Much.

I have my absentee ballot sat in front of me here.

I think I might write in Minniemail Mouse for President and Donald Fancy a Duck for Vice.

I would take an image and put it up on here to take suggestions, but I'm sure I'd get arrested.
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Chickenley's new candidate?

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I couldn't resist, sorry.



Next up, Maggie's Snatcher...
carp

What is she doing to that poor dog in the previous picture. That ain't no pussy it's a cock.
Grind

Würde
Grind

Truth be said: I'd vote for Merkel way ahead of either Clinton or Trump.
carp

Ne hvala
carp

They are all cunts.... I think that is a Peston or Davis quote.
Grind

Well, she is supposedly centre-left.
carp

You know her tailor?
Cutsyke

https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald
Heyho

I sort of understand the 'money is everything' and 'let's buy power' concept about American politics but surely in the worlds biggest economy there had to be more that these two. Surely!
Grind

I didn't send in my absentee ballot in the end (there are about a dozen positions listed on the ballot and I had no idea what a sensible vote might look like for many of them beyond pure (i.e. blind) party loyalty, which seems a mockery of the process), but I still may turn up and vote later today.

Obviously this is not how it works (a positive vote for the least bad candidate is arguably equivalent), but I'd rather be able to effectively take a vote away from Trump than add one for Clinton.

My (somewhat futile) point being that it would show less support for both.

I also think the electoral college approach is deeply flawed.

* Sets up New New Hampshire *
sheeps

Heyho wrote:
I sort of understand the 'money is everything' and 'let's buy power' concept about American politics but surely in the worlds biggest economy there had to be more that these two. Surely!



Exactly.

But obviously not.
Grind

Well, that didn't end well, did it?
Grind

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/ne...=daily&utm_campaign=110916_12

The good news is, at least we get Lisa Simpson next...
Grind

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

Stereotypes: they're based on reality.
Butts

Brexit innit. Same 'disenfranchised' underclass - uneducated white males - whatever the demographers call them. Plus hatred of Clinton and it all seems so inevitable in hindsight. Although, amazingly. Romney polled better last time.

Whatever, were on the abyss, just watch those Russian tanks roll into Ukraine/ Baltic States and forget any holiday plans to Mexico.
Grind

I still find the popular vote versus electoral college thing very annoying.

It seems as if Clinton will end up with a couple of hundred thousand more individual votes than Trump, but will lose out because of where those excess votes happen to be.

Not all votes are created equal.

Undemocratic, in more ways than one.
Butts

More people voted for her than any candidate in history.

In 2012 when Trump mistakenly thought that Romney had won the majority of the popular voted he tweeted about the 'corrupt system' and called for a march on Washington to 'right this wrong' and that 'Romney one' (sic). He's not complaining now.
sheeps

Butts wrote:
Brexit innit. Same 'disenfranchised' underclass - uneducated white males - whatever the demographers call them. Plus hatred of Clinton and it all seems so inevitable in hindsight. Although, amazingly. Romney polled better last time.

Whatever, were on the abyss, just watch those Russian tanks roll into Ukraine/ Baltic States and forget any holiday plans to Mexico.



"uneducated white males"

I voted for Brexit (and the Earth is still turning) yet would not have voted for Trump.

Is Boris to classed alongside the rest of us uneducated white males.
Butts

sheeps wrote:



"uneducated white males"

I voted for Brexit (and the Earth is still turning) yet would not have voted for Trump.

Is Boris to classed alongside the rest of us uneducated white males.


Boris is certainly a Trump admirer, despite him saying he wouldn't welcome him in London when he was Mayor. The similarities between the Brexit vote and Trump are undeniable, as is the fact that vast numbers of people - including those categorised as uneducated white males - voted for it/ him together with plenty of educated white males (and females).

The earth may still be turning but we're in slow motion, without a plan. The damage will be huge and go way beyond our lifetimes. People were lied to during both campaigns but that's OK because 'we're taking back control'/ 'making America great again'.
Cutsyke

We're through the looking glass.

He has a great slogan, Make America Great Again and, and that's it as far as I can see. I expect to see exactly no car plants open up in Michigan during his four years in office, if he goes the distance. The rust belt bought into his slogan but how do you bring well paying manufacturing jobs back to a country so in love with cheap imports? Something has to give. The only good thing about this is the mainstream must now realize they can't keep doing the same old things, counting on the same old votes and playing the same old game. He'll shake things up. He might kill us all doing it but if we survive him in four years time the voting population will be very different, all those beautiful, high minded young people will have a say. Or he turns out to be fantastic....



I hate Clinton but I voted for her.  have three daughters how do I tell them his behaviour towards women is acceptable?
Grind

It's all a bit strange.

I really don't think many people genuinely expected Trump to pull it off and now it seems that the Democratic Party has gone into "full recrimination" mode which. let's face it, was totally likely to happen on the Republican side had Trump not eked out his victory.

Both parties are in comparative disarray.

I had to have a bit of a chuckle earlier today. A close "politically active" friend of my wife's a rabid Hillary fan and she had paid to attend a pre-organised breakfast for the "five hundred women movers and shakers" in NH earlier today to celebrate the election of, errrr, ummmm, oh dear.

* Don't count your chickens before they've laid their scrambled eggs. *
fartcatcher

There'll be plenty of jobs building that wall. I reckon it'll take about eight years.

He's a fantasist.  The yanks seem to have taken to him like they do to these evangelical preachers. Whether he delivers anything or not, he will do no wrong in their eyes. If he tells the he has made America great again they will believe him.

Feel desperately sorry for all the Muslims. In the same way that the lunatic fringe here believed that Brexit gave them the right to beat up Poles, the KKK will be preparing a few fire bombs and scanning through the phone book....
Cutsyke

He won on the electoral college system but won less votes than Clinton last ime I checked, not sure if the final figures are in yet. In simple terms more Americans voted for her than for Trump. Some Americans have taken to him, many haven't. He looks like he's got a job that he doesn't want to me.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Can anyone explain why 8 days later they still haven't called Michigan and New Hampshire?

I don't buy all this media brainwashing about what a fascist he is - it's bollocks and a lot of lies are told about him.

I've studied him and read about him and watched his shows for years - no one ever said he was racist or sexist until he ran against the Clinton machine

I've also studied the Clintons for years and have read a lot about them. They are white collar grifting criminals par excellence - US dodged a bullet avoiding second helpings of a Clinton Whitehouse

AGAIN - sorry for the controversial opinion - hope no one is triggered by this
Dock

Sir Bulldog Craggwood wrote:
Can anyone explain why 8 days later they still haven't called Michigan and New Hampshire?

I don't buy all this media brainwashing about what a fascist he is - it's bollocks and a lot of lies are told about him.

I've studied him and read about him and watched his shows for years - no one ever said he was racist or sexist until he ran against the Clinton machine

I've also studied the Clintons for years and have read a lot about them. They are white collar grifting criminals par excellence - US dodged a bullet avoiding second helpings of a Clinton Whitehouse

AGAIN - sorry for the controversial opinion - hope no one is triggered by this


Not at all. That's what a forum is for. Its good to get debate going.
Late Doors

Seconded, and i for one agree about the Clintons
Grind

I live in New Hampshire and I have no idea other than I know it was supposedly close.

I agree on the Clintons entirely - they're wrong 'uns.

Of the Trumps, Ivanka has come across well so far. I don't think I'd trust either of the sons further than I could throw them and it's hard to see through all the nonsense to the real Donald Trump.

Here's hoping he's a better choice than he seems...
Forest

Sir Bulldog Craggwood wrote:

no one ever said he was racist or sexist until he ran against the Clinton machine



No one said Savile was peado until he died. Doesn't mean he wasn't.
Butts

Sir Bulldog Craggwood wrote:


I don't buy all this media brainwashing about what a fascist he is - it's bollocks and a lot of lies are told about him.



Sounds like you've fallen for it. He's a pitiful narcissist and any remotely credible Democrat would have walked it. Steve Bannon is a caveman with a white supremacist agenda. And lies? He's told an average 45 untruths for every day of the campaign (there's a Twitter a/c that's been posting them). It should have ended when he mocked the disabled reporter and laid into the family of the dead soldier but the redneck voters seemed to believe the fake Facebook 'news' pushed their way that both were stage-managed Democrat lies. Post-truth.

After all the hoo-ha about the Clinton emails it's interesting how he's not hesitated to call world leaders (and Piers Morgan today) from insecure phone lines and without proper briefings.

He'll be found out although it could take a few years. Any fear-based regime cannot last for long. We'll learn more about his past as the honeymoon period draws to a close, such as the Ivana rape incident and the Kushner skeletons that are already beginning to rattle.
fartcatcher

Now that he's been elected, he can get back to boasting about his wealth and forget this man of the people shit.

Most worrying of his appointments is Stephen Bannon - ex CEO of Brietbart. Sample quote 'Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy. We need the kids if we're to breed enough to keep the Muslim invaders at bay.'

Here's Donald in his gold-plated lift, with has finger up Nige's bum.

Sir Bulldog Craggwood

I'm not here to debate with you - just tell you what's right and let you work it out for yourselves later LOL

He's going to be a good President and we'll look back it this hyperbole in four years time and laugh and be slightly angry about the hysteria we were fed
Butts

Sir Bulldog Craggwood wrote:
I'm not here to debate with you - just tell you what's right and let you work it out for yourselves later LOL

He's going to be a good President and we'll look back it this hyperbole in four years time and laugh and be slightly angry about the hysteria we were fed


LOL. LOL.
fartcatcher

Sir Bulldog Craggwood wrote:
I'm not here to debate with you - just tell you what's right and let you work it out for yourselves later LOL

He's going to be a good President and we'll look back it this hyperbole in four years time and laugh and be slightly angry about the hysteria we were fed


Aside from the being President, what sort of a man is he?

Takes the piss out of a reporter for having a disability
Admits to touching women 'inappropriately'.
Boasts within hours of 9/11 that Trump Tower is again the tallest building in New York.
Badmouths the mother of a muslim war hero for being - er - the mother of a muslim war hero.

The President is supposed to be a role model.

Is there the slightest chance we would elect anyone like that in the UK. No.
sheeps

Us thickies might.
Grind

US thickies did.
sheeps


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