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Forest

True Detective

On Sky Atlantic starts Saturday Night.

Just seen the first one and it's probably the best opening episode of a new show I've seen since Breaking Bad.
Dock

Re: True Detective

Forest wrote:
On Sky Atlantic starts Saturday Night.

Just seen the first one and it's probably the best opening episode of a new show I've seen since Breaking Bad.


Cheers for the reminder Fozdyke. Been watching the trailers for this since the start of Jan. Looks ace.
bearing

Re: True Detective

Forest wrote:
On Sky Atlantic starts Saturday Night.

Just seen the first one and it's probably the best opening episode of a new show I've seen since Breaking Bad.


You've clearly never seen all of Bagpuss!
Dock

Finished the first series of TD last night. Enjoyed it. The relationship between Matthew McConaughey and Woody Harrelson was what made this for me with their weird edgy-as-fuck rapport. Great script and bayou locations and I found it intriguing from beginning to end. I think the switch between the characters in 1995 and the present day was done really well. A career best performance by Harrelson IMHO.

Forest

I doubt there'll be a better TV show this year.
Season 2 will be interesting, new cast and setting with rumours of a female detective alongside Brad Pitt.
Dock

Forest wrote:
I doubt there'll be a better TV show this year.
Season 2 will be interesting, new cast and setting with rumours of a female detective alongside Brad Pitt.




Hmm, not sure I like the idea of a possible cast change. Matthew McConaughey's character is like something out of a really good book. I want to find out more about him and his strange life. I love Brad Pitt's acting but I'd be disappointed if they change this interesting and entertaining partnership.
Forest

Dock wrote:
Forest wrote:
I doubt there'll be a better TV show this year.
Season 2 will be interesting, new cast and setting with rumours of a female detective alongside Brad Pitt.




Hmm, not sure I like the idea of a possible cast change. Matthew McConaughey's character is like something out of a really good book. I want to find out more about him and his strange life. I love Brad Pitt's acting but I'd be disappointed if they change this interesting and entertaining partnership.


Different cast and story each season was always the plan, but I agree with you I'd like it to continue possibly with them starting a private detective agency or opening a seaside b&b
Dock

Second series starts next Monday night on Sky Atlantic (I love Sky me, y'know with me not being narrow-minded, not clinging to outdated misinformed prejudices, and not lacking a bigger picture perspective n' that). Colin Farrell starring in this one. You on for this Fozdyke?
Frazier Cranium

I am but get fucked for not asking.
Dock

Frazier Cranium wrote:
I am but get fucked for not asking.


Ok then I'll ask. You on for this then Codge?
Frazier Cranium

Yeah mate, thanks for asking!
Frazier Cranium

Ray Donovan series 2 has been VERY good, glad I stuck with it after Sky botched up the schedules.

Watched about 6 Breaking Bad season one, also pretty damned fine.  NOT the greatest thing ever shown on TV as yet imho but it is great so far imo.
Dock

Frazier Cranium wrote:
Ray Donovan series 2 has been VERY good, glad I stuck with it after Sky botched up the schedules.

Watched about 6 Breaking Bad season one, also pretty damned fine. †NOT the greatest thing ever shown on TV as yet imho but it is great so far imo.


I'm also enjoying the 2nd Ray Donovan. One thing that lets Sky Atlantic down is publicising their own shows.
Frazier Cranium

Get this, I was watching Coron the other week, Monday night 7.30 slot.  Just before it started though, ITV were showing adverts, of course, one of which was for Wednesday night's Coro.  The fucktards, they also now enjoy telling viewers the plot of the episode which is about to start.

Fortitude ads were on every hour before it started, yet we bloody missed a whole season of Boardwalk due to seeing no ads for it at all
Forest

Dock wrote:
Second series starts next Monday night on Sky Atlantic (I love Sky me, y'know with me not being narrow-minded, not clinging to outdated misinformed prejudices, and not lacking a bigger picture perspective n' that). Colin Farrell starring in this one. You on for this Fozdyke?


I've just ditched Sky coz I'm moving house this week, I'll catch it online somewhere. Last series was one of the best things on telly last year, it'll be hard to match it.
Late Doors

Dock wrote:
Second series starts next Monday night on Sky Atlantic (I love Sky me, y'know with me not being narrow-minded, not clinging to outdated misinformed prejudices, and not lacking a bigger picture perspective n' that). Colin Farrell starring in this one. You on for this Fozdyke?




Go On Then. its weekend, I'll have a nibble. I suspect that's a bit of a throwaway cast on the off chance some old fashioned narrow minded curmudgeon has a nibble. Well I hate to disappoint.

Yeah, lots to like about sky. Drama, entertainment, art, sport all have an hierarchy of quality. From bumbling clumsy enthusiastic amateur beginnings to top drawer supreme blissful perfection. But without one end of the chain the other end of it wouldn't exist. Without that differential the genre just would not get created. If you love the genre be it Drama, film, art  sport or whatever you get in and support it at all levels and take enjoyment from all of it. In fact its that love of all elements the genre has that makes the highest level of it so life liftingly good. If you've never seen Emley play on a freezing wet Monday night or a bunch of kids charge around a field after a ball how can you truly love Barca  against Munich.

What SKY do is simply apply their business model, along with massive financial resources not to mention obscene political influence to ring fence the top end quality and try to excluded anyone else from accessing. The play no part whatsoever in grass roots development and support of it but merely pick off the sweet spot and present it to mainly shallow idiots who swallow it up by the bucketful whilst appreciating very little other than the basic thrills of what they are watching.

Don't get me wrong, they are brilliant at what they do. Cricket, footy and rugby is fantastic on SKY as are the American dramas but there is a bigger deeper and more sinister aspect of their operation that maybe only narrow minded old fashioned prejudiced fools can see.

SKY epitomise the age we live in and perfectly represent the parasitical nature of wealth migration these days. Nationalise the risk and privatise the profits. In other words let other people take the risks nurturing and developing talent and simply cream off the top end cash cow.

Look at grass roots football these days for a perfect example and see how SKY treat anyone outside the prem. Other organisations like channel 4 and the bbc for example invest in talent, take risks with new drama and film with unknown writers and actors. They apply a  Win some lose some policy and have a broad spectrum without which the genre wouldn't exist let alone survive. Sadly these organisations hardly ever  reap the end product of success now because of sky and the like.

That's the way it is. They don't do anything illegal well apart from criminal intrusion of privacy in other arms of the empire and nobody is forced to sell to sky. Doesn't mean i have to like it though but if it makes me small minded, misinformed etc  to criticise them and refuse to contribute to it through subscriptions im happy with that.
Late Doors

Oh and yes this True Detective sounds good thanks for the heads up. Ill get the box set
Frazier Cranium

Actually LD, I believe Sky do invest money into new writing these days, so they're not complete cunts, just 97.5% cunts

So far, imho, Sky's money has scarred coverage of football, ruined boxing's and hurt cricket's.  They possibly recreated Rugby League's though.

It's all pretty depressing is sports coverage and 'new movies' if you haven't got subscription TV, but I suppose they employ a lot of people here (they used to anyway) and it's good that they help the development of bootleggers and downloader monkeys.
Dock

Re Sports coverage. Sky have only thrived because audiences have wanted what they had to offer. I would put the point that Sky haven't RUINED any sport. The teams, and organisations that run specific sports have sold themselves out. Sky just gave them the opportunity to do it. Re The Premiership the owners of clubs and regulatory bodies were falling over themselves to sign up to lucrative deals with Sky with little or no regard for the people who paid to watch fixtures live or at home on the TV. Re Subscription TV. If paying a very small amount each month (I think we pay approx £30, I'd have to check with my accounts clerk Mrs D) means that I get better dramas and documentaries than I would on terrestrial tv then I'm happy to pay. I find that many people who dislike the idea of subscription tv are the kind of people who want something for nothing, but the world doesn't work like that.

Massive institutions like ITV and the BBC were not proactive enough with investment in TV and Sky ripped the carpet from under their feet and have prospered since.
Frazier Cranium

I said sports coverage, fella

Any sport that has been ruined is the cause of that sport's authorities, simple as that.
Dock

Frazier Cranium wrote:
I said sports coverage, fella

Any sport that has been ruined is the cause of that sport's authorities, simple as that.


My post wasn't aimed at you Codge, it just directly followed yours. stand at ease. How the feck are yer anyway lad?
Frazier Cranium

Doing okay thanks, hope you and yours are too.

too busy, too skint, Too Much Too Young
Late Doors

Maybe me then Ive just re read my post to make sure i didn't say they have ruined any sport and i didn't. In fact i said their coverage was brilliant. What they have done or at least majorly contributed to is making it less enjoyable for me by dictating awkward kick off times, preventing main stream broadcasting and asking me to pay more to watch it on telly on top of the license fee ive already paid. Yeah of course they couldn't do that if the sporting authorities hadn't sold them the rights hence my point in the post about no one being forced to sell. Without the willingness to sell the rights they couldnt buy them

I also agree that the sporting authorities are as culpable as sky and it is they that are responsible ultimately for the distribution of sky's income throughout the whole game, something they are failing to do. But this is a discussion about sky not the FA, RL or ECB and no way does that exonerate sky. The issue is as old as civilisation. Voluntarily throwing in with the devil doesn't make the devil an innocent good guy all of a sudden. Drug dealers, ivory poachers, egg stealers, pimps, estate agents and insurance brokers can all self righteously claim they are only providing a service that people want and is offered voluntarily. In any case since when did what people want became a justification for deeming what is the right thing. The  people want the Daily Mail (ironically and im not trying to be smart re the other thread), ukip, a tory government, the death penalty, tightrope walking dogs and celebs talking shit on telly,. The  people aren't fit to choose what we want and id have thought that was clear to anyone with any discerning taste or ideas and a justification for nothing.

Of course they haven't been found guilty of anything illegal so their harvesting of the profitable ends of sport  could be justified but c'mon, how can their management be deemed fit and proper in the light of all that news international scandal. It's incredible but when you see the way they schmooze their way into the Tories, then New Labour and back again with the prevailing political winds it's not hard to speculate how they seem to be exempt from normal due processes. How can they possibly deliver an objective news service when they are so intrinsically part of a government as well

How are they allowed to charge mainstream TV channels millions to be hosted on their equipment? It should be the other way round, sky should be paying them. And how are they allowed to own the rights to a sport and sponsor it with their own gambling wing. Chuff me it makes Good fellows look like an oxfam shop. It isn't that the BBC and ITV weren't proactive enough at all it is because they were blown out if the water by skys financial and political muscle.

If they really are supporting unknown writers and original tv  Codge then it must be a recent development. For years they were consistently pulled up for not fulfilling their licensing agreement obligations on original TV but must have got away with it till they became massively profitable. I will accept what you say though even though I've seen no evidence of it.

This speculation Dock, about people who complain about Sky  wanting something for nothing is wrong. People who criticise or are sceptical of sky are like me, people who DO pay and want to pay. Pay for music, season tickets, away tickets, live music, theatre and art exhibitions.  People who care about what they enjoy and all aspects of it not just the top end and who will pay not just sit on the settee consuming it. That is how things survive and that is the world we live in so I'm not having that pal.

The main thing I'm not having and take issue with though is the reason i replied in the first place. I agree with most of what you said re the authorities part in it but reiterate my belief it's an equal partnership. It's this small minded old fashioned misinformed prejudice thing that I was mainly responding to. It doesn't matter who is to blame for it the fact is both parties want it and are doing it together.

Look, i know subscription tv will be the future. The DG if the BBC has this week stated the license fee has only ten years to run and I'll cone dragging my heels to the party as usual but it isn't small minded or prejudiced to be concerned about media power and objectivity. It isn't old fashioned to be concerned about sport, drama, culture and the arts. The bbc in particular has been brilliant at supporting and sustaining all that but alas has been deemed a Commy Witch  by the new McCarthyist  Witchfinders . It has already been stripped of its news objectivity and will inevitably have its cultural influence sacrificed for the new order. All I can see sky doing currently is cashing in on it without support or doing anything to nurture the longevity of anything.

I might be wrong and once they have complete control of the media they might surprise me. I might even start subscribing if that happens and say i was wrong. Yer never know
Frazier Cranium

No problem if I'm wrong LD about Sky supporting writers - if they DON'T then they're stupid because it's about forging new talent etc and a process which will save them money, by working with their own material instead of buying new progrrammes in.  Just like a footrie academy.

And I noticed a couple of days ago, Sky advertise their own Academy now, probably for youngsters and apprenticeships.
Heyho

Officially I didn't watch it because I don't have Sky but it looks good.
Dock

My post wasnít aimed at you either LD. It was at the general dislike of Sky. Re your point about people who support music, sport etc by going and who arenít just interested in the top end of something and consuming it on TVÖÖÖÖ..IíM SPARTACUS! I will attend the big race meetings like The Champion Hurdle in the swirling cauldron of 60,000+ racegoers at The Cheltenham Festival but Iíll enjoy myself just as much watching a crappy sellers race in the frozen wasteland of the North East (AKA Sedgefield) in November where the hot favourite is the horse that can roughly find its way around the course with an A-Z and some decent glasses, and the only thing resembling a crowd is a farmer called Frank, his border collie Shep, and a cow that accidentally got through a hedge on to the racecourse. I know itís important to pay and attend the things we are passionate about but on further inspection I think weíd be surprised at how much some sports teams and certain sports †rely on TV money over gate money. Iíd guess (but Iím prepared to be shot down) that for football clubs tv money is more per season than gate money. I think (again, shoot me down on this) †you could be overestimating the need for paying fans through the gates and how important they are to the survival of a particular sport. The moving of match days and KO times was all sewn up by Sky and the clubs you all support. Football and its fans GOT SOLD! Itís as simple as that. ďAinít no use in prayiní thatís the way itís stayiní baby!Ē*

Iím a principled individual but to be still tub-thumping about Sky domination in 2015 is pissing in the wind. Especially when SKY money probably paid for some of the LU players in the nineties who had large transfer price tags. You all happily rode the wave of cash. The war is over! You and all those other halfheads who still go and watch LU will go along on the days and the times you are told to go, and be herded into your uncomfortable seats, and looked down on by sub-human stewards, and have the stadium you love emblazoned with a huge SKYBET logo. And do you know why you will? Because nobody stood up to it when it mattered twenty odd years ago. Go on LD, get a SKY subscription. You know you want to really!!!!!

*Bobby Gillespie 1994
Late Doors

Not happening, more likely to be netflix or something like that.

btw Sedgefield...    10/10
Dock

Got to episode five of series two of TD. I'm out. Enjoyed the slow pace to begin with but both me and Mrs D are done with it. Great cast, shame it didn't work. Deleted it off the planner. That is all.
Frazier Cranium

I watched last night's, enjoyed it more than the others but it's too convoluted, and I suspect that is because there are two many main characters.  Minus one after last night
Dock

Frazier Cranium wrote:
I watched last night's, enjoyed it more than the others but it's too convoluted, and I suspect that is because there are two many main characters. †Minus one after last night


Seconded. If you only leave it ten days or a week between episodes you forget all the little strands. It didn't engage me as a viewer at all. It's more like a great sprawling James Ellroy novel, but doesn't fit into a tv format.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Really loved Kohle and Hart not sure why they moved location and characters for season two. I guess that was the end of the road for Kohle and Hart

Would like to see all the threads combine again in season three or four like t'Wire but I find the Vince Vaughan character and storyline a little unconvincing

Great writing, acting and filming on the whole. This and the now cancelled Hannibal are the most beautifully shot shows on TV at the moment

Not many things have got me watching Sky on a regular basis but this, Hannibal and Game of Thrones have
Heyho

Sir Bulldog Craggwood wrote:
Really loved Kohle and Hart not sure why they moved location and characters for season two. I guess that was the end of the road for Kohle and Hart


They are producing it aren't they now
Dock

Heyho wrote:
Sir Bulldog Craggwood wrote:
Really loved Kohle and Hart not sure why they moved location and characters for season two. I guess that was the end of the road for Kohle and Hart


They are producing it aren't they now


Are you Yoda in disguise?
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Dock wrote:
Heyho wrote:
Sir Bulldog Craggwood wrote:
Really loved Kohle and Hart not sure why they moved location and characters for season two. I guess that was the end of the road for Kohle and Hart


They are producing it aren't they now


Are you Yoda in disguise?


Yes

If Heyho be Yoda know I not
Heyho

Dock wrote:
Heyho wrote:
Sir Bulldog Craggwood wrote:
Really loved Kohle and Hart not sure why they moved location and characters for season two. I guess that was the end of the road for Kohle and Hart


They are producing it aren't they now


Are you Yoda in disguise?


Help me Obi-Dock. You're my only hope.
Dock

Heyho wrote:
Dock wrote:
Heyho wrote:
Sir Bulldog Craggwood wrote:
Really loved Kohle and Hart not sure why they moved location and characters for season two. I guess that was the end of the road for Kohle and Hart


They are producing it aren't they now


Are you Yoda in disguise?


Help me Obi-Dock. You're my only hope.


*switches R2-D2 off to kill the hologram, lights cig*
Grind

We had our TV and cable thingummies overhauled earlier in the week and I found I could watch this for free.

Only seen Episode One so far, but it looks decent enough.
Heyho

Dock wrote:
Got to episode five of series two of TD. I'm out. Enjoyed the slow pace to begin with but both me and Mrs D are done with it. Great cast, shame it didn't work. Deleted it off the planner. That is all.


Actually S2 E7 is a right shocker!!!

You need to catch up Dock
Dock

Heyho wrote:
Dock wrote:
Got to episode five of series two of TD. I'm out. Enjoyed the slow pace to begin with but both me and Mrs D are done with it. Great cast, shame it didn't work. Deleted it off the planner. That is all.


Actually S2 E7 is a right shocker!!!

You need to catch up Dock


No. That ship has sailed. Besides I've already let my brain erase the second series. If at episode five I'm still unsure of a programme then it's straight into Room 101. Plenty of other good box sets to get stuck into on the Sky On-Demand facility. I love Sky me.
Frazier Cranium

Caught up with 'The Leftovers' which isn't anything to do with bubble n squeak at all but a v interesting, if confusing and frustrating drama about cult groups and death and stuff.

V good cast, it's not ace but it's been pretty good so far, the story is still interesting after 7 episodes.
Dock

Frazier Cranium wrote:
Caught up with 'The Leftovers' which isn't anything to do with bubble n squeak at all but a v interesting, if confusing and frustrating drama about cult groups and death and stuff.

V good cast, it's not ace but it's been pretty good so far, the story is still interesting after 7 episodes.


Might have a look at that. Ta for the heads up Codge.
Forest

Frazier Cranium wrote:
Caught up with 'The Leftovers' which isn't anything to do with bubble n squeak at all but a v interesting, if confusing and frustrating drama about cult groups and death and stuff.

V good cast, it's not ace but it's been pretty good so far, the story is still interesting after 7 episodes.


I enjoyed it, still no idea what it was about. Series 2 is in production.

Aquarius on tonight, looks interesting.
Grind

Near the end of the first series now - I'll watch episodes seven and eight tonight.

It's reinforcing my (probably biased) view of the South as feral and to be treated with caution.

If nothing else, the opening titles and the Handsome Family ditty are worth the price of admission on their own.

Might see what the rest of the album is like.
Grind

Forgot to mention - I came across a band called The Black Angels whilst pootling around looking for related toons last night.

Me like 'em.

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