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bearing

The trials and tribulations of our club...

So as it stands, we are still owned by the poorest middle east folk ever, who seem to have the business nouse of a dead ferret, Cellino is still awaiting a verdict on his suitability and has now refused to loan GFH any more money to pay wages etc. whicht leaves us in a very precarious position as it seems he was our only line of credit at this time.

It really does seem that we are once again heading towards  administration, now usually a club will sell off its assets, such as players, the ground, training pitches, merchandise and anything else that can be sold to raise cash but as we don't actually own our ground or training pitches and we don't have many crown jewels on the pitch I'm wondering how on earth we will actually survive! I can honestly see us careering towards the worst-case scenario of being put into liquidation and ultimately being closed down.

If we look at the least drastic outcome of administration rather than liquidation we'll end up being docked 15 points, which taking into account us shipping 9 goals in just three days, the fact we will suddenly drop into a relegation fight and will probably be losing the likes of McCormack doesn't really bode very well.

So does anyone want to suggest to me what the fuck we've done as fans to deserve all this shit?

Oh on the bright side their is a small rumour that if we do go into admin then a certain David Haigh will ride in on his steed to save the day alongside a certain Ken Bates.  
fartcatcher

as i understand it Cellino is paying the bills already even though he doesn't own the club.

If he gets done for fraud and 'honest' Shaun Harvey decides he's not a fit a proper person, then we're into administration i fear.

Still preferable to having the old twat back though.
Frazier Cranium

Whoever really, honestly knows what is going on at ER is keeping schtum about it but whenever there is mention of administration I try to remind myself that Farnan and co bid for the club and have supposedly proven they have the funds.  It will take some convincing for me to forgive and forget the disgraceful situation at Leeds when Cellino 'officially' arrived.  And at the time I probably wrongly blamed the Italian for it, but thinking back I reckon that was all Haigh and co's ineptitude and downright shoddy, classlessness.
smiling badger

Chhhhiiiiilllllaaaaax, fellas!
Haigh has been quoted saying that we are NOT going into administration.
Wether you belive that bumbling, baffooon is up to you.
And as for Shaun Harvey letting things go smoothly for Leeds is just laughable!
Im sure he will be doing his up most for uncle Ken to be able to get his grubby old hands back on the club. You really couldnt make this up could you.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Doesn't Shaun's pappa Ken stand to get some outstanding payments from Leeds and GFH provided the sale to Cellino DOES go through?

I don't think even a man as mad and mercenary as Ken Bates would ever want to get his hands on LUFC ever again. I mean whats left to sell?

No, for me he is too old and too canny to get involved twice - if we had a stadium and training ground and £20m squad, yes. But Leeds dont.

Surely Shaun Harvey doesn't want to go down in history as the man who - having taken big pay packets as CEO of Leeds - is then the man to extinguish their existence. Money talks and Leeds United are good for attendances wherever they play (except at home maybe)
Late Doors

Jeez i'd love to believe that Bull. But that all sounds depressingly plausible t'b doesn't it. A string of handovers that defy belief. Krasner with the admin, krasner to Bates that was the crime of the century. Bates to GFH , a bunch of chancing cream off spivs if ever there was and now them to Cellino. All of them including Ridsdale before them not fit and proper to run a bath let alone a football club. At every stage other options were available and on the table despite what that cove of See you next Tuesdays said at the time.

Only now, at the end of that chain and in the light of so many other football club takeovers by overseas "characters" do the football league decide to apply any kind of scrutiny.

Im still sure Bates is at the center of all this, a monstrous scroat of the highest order. Why can't he just fuck off and rot? There is no doubt in my mind his one and only ambition is to kill us. Making millions out of us is just a happy bonus for him. Millions and millions must have been spunked away into someone's coffees and must still be. Why aren't the FL investigating that?.  If they do not do the right thing, soon. They will be compliant in it as well. If that hideous pile of rat shit comes anywhere near our club again we should all, everyone of us fuck off and start another club. Rangers/Fc Utd style and start again. We tried to ride him out last time and i thought we had. If there is a next time.......
fartcatcher

I read elsewhere that he's suing the club for £1m for wrongful dismissal. This presumably relates to the 'private jet' incident.

There's nothing he would enjoy more than sending the club into administration. Revenge has always been high on his agenda.

I'm sure he believes that Shaun Harvey owes him a few favours as well.

Good, but not new, article here.

http://twohundredpercent.net/?p=23862
carp

....Cellino guilty of fraud. So it goes on. What a bunch of chancers and unprofessional cowboys GFH are. Did they complete any checks on Cellino? How did the FL pass GFH as fit Owners and Directors when one of the criteria is a demonstration of adequate funding to support the running of the club?
bearing

Late Doors wrote:
Jeez i'd love to believe that Bull. But that all sounds depressingly plausible t'b doesn't it. A string of handovers that defy belief. Krasner with the admin, krasner to Bates that was the crime of the century. Bates to GFH , a bunch of chancing cream off spivs if ever there was and now them to Cellino. All of them including Ridsdale before them not fit and proper to run a bath let alone a football club. At every stage other options were available and on the table despite what that cove of See you next Tuesdays said at the time.

Only now, at the end of that chain and in the light of so many other football club takeovers by overseas "characters" do the football league decide to apply any kind of scrutiny.

Im still sure Bates is at the center of all this, a monstrous scroat of the highest order. Why can't he just fuck off and rot? There is no doubt in my mind his one and only ambition is to kill us. Making millions out of us is just a happy bonus for him. Millions and millions must have been spunked away into someone's coffees and must still be. Why aren't the FL investigating that?.  If they do not do the right thing, soon. They will be compliant in it as well. If that hideous pile of rat shit comes anywhere near our club again we should all, everyone of us fuck off and start another club. Rangers/Fc Utd style and start again. We tried to ride him out last time and i thought we had. If there is a next time.......


I'd happily be one to start a new club.
Late Doors

'kin might have to at this rate. jeez what a fuckupathon
bearing

Late Doors wrote:
'kin might have to at this rate. jeez what a fuckupathon


Obviously I wasn't saying I'd be the one  

We should however be pretty proud of how our club still manges to dig a bigger hole to fuck up in than we thought possible.  
smiling badger

Kin shambles, all of it.
Kind of expect this shit which is a bit sad really.
We are Leeds and all that..
fartcatcher

It's not just us. The whole of football's governance is shite.

They need to nationalise it. Or something.
Grind

No, our national team is worse.
carp

Cellino was never going to pass after being found guilty. Onwards to the next debacle.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!
smiling badger

Come on we didnt really expect it to go through surely??
The onlty reason he was wanted in the end by most of us was because he had a few quid.
But he would have ended up a bloody nightmare owner i think.
Now its left in the hands of those at GFH to try and get things sorted. We are well and truely fucked.
Administration and league one beckons.
And to be honest that doesnt really bother me too much. On and on and all that..
Heyho

Once again I shall say how I don't understand why a sleeping giant does not attract big money aka Man City.

My old man in a genuine non semantic way has always said that there is too much Jewish influence in the club that would put off the Saudis and other Middle Eastern money. I'm not sure any more.

But one thing I am clear about is that this city really does not deserve a top flight club because it has never backed it. There's big money in Leeds but no-one coming in. And wheres the nearest Premiership club to us. Man City? Hull?
Grind

Heyho wrote:
Once again I shall say how I don't understand why a sleeping giant does not attract big money aka Man City.

My old man in a genuine non semantic way has always said that there is too much Jewish influence in the club that would put off the Saudis and other Middle Eastern money. I'm not sure any more.

But one thing I am clear about is that this city really does not deserve a top flight club because it has never backed it. There's big money in Leeds but no-one coming in. And wheres the nearest Premiership club to us. Man City? Hull?


At the moment, it's Fulham.  
fartcatcher

Administration, Bates and Billy Davies.

Dream ticket.
bearing

Heyho wrote:
Once again I shall say how I don't understand why a sleeping giant does not attract big money aka Man City.

My old man in a genuine non semantic way has always said that there is too much Jewish influence in the club that would put off the Saudis and other Middle Eastern money. I'm not sure any more.

But one thing I am clear about is that this city really does not deserve a top flight club because it has never backed it. There's big money in Leeds but no-one coming in. And wheres the nearest Premiership club to us. Man City? Hull?


Baffles me too. We are a one club city with a fan base that are willing to turn up week after week even after the shit that we've been dished up.
fartcatcher

copy and paste

Quote:
The FL have chosen administration and Financial chaos for Leeds over Cellino. The club wanted Cellino The fnas wanted Cellino and Cellino wanted Leeds and was capable of taking the club forward for the first time in a decade.

This was a decision mired in hypocrisy, self interest and spite.

Karl Oyston was part of the panel who made this decision, Yet his own father remains the majority shareholder and a current director of Blackpool despite being a convicted rapist and permanently on the sex offenders register. The remaining members were chairman of other clubs who have both a financial interest in keeping LUFCs huge travelling support coming through their turnstyles and of course blocking a direct rival form strengthening financially.

The FL are allowing Carson Yeung to run Birmingham from a jail cell, yet have chosen LUFC as the one club to single out for a punishment which will push the club to the financial abyss,

The final irony is that the FL is presided over by a man who was responsible for a great deal of the financial mess LUFC currently finds itself in although this is hardly surprising given Shaun Harveys record of adminstrations and financial mismanagement throughout his career.
smiling badger

One rule for one and one rule for Leeds after reading that. Madness..
Dock

smiling badger wrote:
One rule for one and one rule for Leeds after reading that. Madness..


Yeah. That'll be it. Everybody is against Leeds. Of course they are.............What a load of conspiracy nonsense. Some of you lot don't get that LU are pitied more than envied these days. If any LU fans think there is an ingrained conspiracy against Leeds United in this day and age you need to seek therapy.
smiling badger

No conspiracy nonsense at all. Just seems the way that it is. And how many of us here seem to think that we are envied? I'd put a guess at not one.
We are not as deluded as you seem to think that we are for doing such a thing as supporting a football club instead of watching horses running around a field.
Each to their own..
bearing

smiling badger wrote:
No conspiracy nonsense at all. Just seems the way that it is. And how many of us here seem to think that we are envied? I'd put a guess at not one.
We are not as deluded as you seem to think that we are for doing such a thing as supporting a football club instead of watching horses running around a field.
Each to their own..


I think Dock is deluded in thinking that we are deluded.
Dock

smiling badger wrote:
No conspiracy nonsense at all. Just seems the way that it is. And how many of us here seem to think that we are envied? I'd put a guess at not one.
We are not as deluded as you seem to think that we are for doing such a thing as supporting a football club instead of watching horses running around a field.
Each to their own..


A quote was posted up on here about how the FL have it in for Leeds and without any knowledge of its source or it's factual content you have taken it as the truth. As for the personal 'watching horses running running around a field' insult it shows that you have very little in the way of a constructive argument against what I said, very little knowledge of modern football club ownership, and absolutely no idea of what racing is about.

I suppose it was the FL who froze LU players in their tracks in order for Bournemouth to score four goals was it?

Here's another one for you to wallow in: The FL shot Kennedy. Think about it. Kennedy was white. Leeds play in white. So it goes to show that they killed him doesn't it. Have a day off will you!
Dock

bearing wrote:
smiling badger wrote:
No conspiracy nonsense at all. Just seems the way that it is. And how many of us here seem to think that we are envied? I'd put a guess at not one.
We are not as deluded as you seem to think that we are for doing such a thing as supporting a football club instead of watching horses running around a field.
Each to their own..


I think Dock is deluded in thinking that we are deluded.


There could be something in that.
fartcatcher

Dock,
Try googling 'I Hate Leeds/We Hate Leeds'  
Heyho

I am sure its endemic amongst football fans the world over that they have a 'we waz robbed' and 'the whole worlds against us' mentality. So Leeds are no different there.

No club has a divine right for success. I do feel that lots of Leeds fans actually believe they do, living on past glories too much. Luckily there are enough realists on here. This FA thing should be viewed for what is it - total incompetence by the powers that run the game and not individual victimisation.

It was actually refreshing to hear an interview with the other Brian McDermott and his captain Kevin Sinfield after their draw with Huddersfield. Refreshing in the fact that not once was the referee criticised and they were realistic in summing up that Leeds were the most grateful to get a draw out of the game. A bit different from the likes of Sam Allerdyce in his summing up of Rooneys goal. 'Great goal, great skill but it should never have been a goal 'cos Rooney fouled my player'.
carp

I dont subscribe to the FL and everyone hates Leeds conspiracy stuff. We have been very poorly managed and are reaping the returns. It was Bates' breaking of published FL rules that we got cut 15 points. It was Bates' fixing of the admin process that got us back in his filthy grips. It is GFH's incompetence and comedic business planning that sees us on the edge yet again. I am deluded in thinking there is any other way out of this than mess than through admin followed by relegation, and a clear slate for some practical business minded people to come in and rebuild.
Dock

fartcatcher wrote:
Dock,
Try googling 'I Hate Leeds/We Hate Leeds'  


I will.  
Frazier Cranium

carp wrote:
I dont subscribe to the FL and everyone hates Leeds conspiracy stuff. We have been very poorly managed and are reaping the returns. It was Bates' breaking of published FL rules that we got cut 15 points. It was Bates' fixing of the admin process that got us back in his filthy grips. It is GFH's incompetence and comedic business planning that sees us on the edge yet again. I am deluded in thinking there is any other way out of this than mess than through admin followed by relegation, and a clear slate for some practical business minded people to come in and rebuild.


David Haigh is a deceitful prat who is being exposed now as the untrustworthy snake that he really is.  I almost felt sorry for Cellino with his bleating earlier this week, the man who 'is not dishonest' but has been found guilty very recently and has two more cases up in court some time quite soon.  The FL aren't the enemy here.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

The FL are hypocrites who chop and change the rules to fuck over clubs and individuals they don't like

How Shaun Harvey could not have ruled himself out of the process for having a vested interest is almost as much of a mystery as to how Shaun Harvey got the job as FL Chief Exec after the most shite track record with Bradford and Leeds
fartcatcher

I don't think we are any more paranoid than many other football fans. Most managers, particularly of Prem clubs, are role models.

We do live in the past though, but that's partly because the present is pretty shit, and the future holds little prospect of being better.
smiling badger

Dock wrote:
smiling badger wrote:
No conspiracy nonsense at all. Just seems the way that it is. And how many of us here seem to think that we are envied? I'd put a guess at not one.
We are not as deluded as you seem to think that we are for doing such a thing as supporting a football club instead of watching horses running around a field.
Each to their own..


A quote was posted up on here about how the FL have it in for Leeds and without any knowledge of its source or it's factual content you have taken it as the truth. As for the personal 'watching horses running running around a field' insult it shows that you have very little in the way of a constructive argument against what I said, very little knowledge of modern football club ownership, and absolutely no idea of what racing is about.

I suppose it was the FL who froze LU players in their tracks in order for Bournemouth to score four goals was it?

Here's another one for you to wallow in: The FL shot Kennedy. Think about it. Kennedy was white. Leeds play in white. So it goes to show that they killed him doesn't it. Have a day off will you!


You feel 'insulted' by me saying you prefere to watch horses running around a field?? Get a grip Dock. Especially after some of the shit you seem to come out with on here about those that spend their time and money on going to football rather than throwing their money on a nag.
No, i have no idea of what racing is about and have no desire to want to.
Have a day off ? Who will rise to your nonsense if i do?
bearing

Frazier Cranium wrote:
carp wrote:
I dont subscribe to the FL and everyone hates Leeds conspiracy stuff. We have been very poorly managed and are reaping the returns. It was Bates' breaking of published FL rules that we got cut 15 points. It was Bates' fixing of the admin process that got us back in his filthy grips. It is GFH's incompetence and comedic business planning that sees us on the edge yet again. I am deluded in thinking there is any other way out of this than mess than through admin followed by relegation, and a clear slate for some practical business minded people to come in and rebuild.


David Haigh is a deceitful prat who is being exposed now as the untrustworthy snake that he really is.  I almost felt sorry for Cellino with his bleating earlier this week, the man who 'is not dishonest' but has been found guilty very recently and has two more cases up in court some time quite soon.  The FL aren't the enemy here.


Apparently his boasting of being in finance for the last 15 years is a bit of bully as he was apparently running a male escort business 10 years ago.  


Oh and have a watch of this, you couldn't make this shit up!



I hope you're compiling all this for a new book Codge...
bearing

So as it stands:

*some of this is only conjecture and hasn't been verified but is probably correct.

The players have been part paid today on the understanding the shortfall will be made up once the Cellino appeal has been sorted either way.

Cellino apparently agreed to funding the club for 6 months (at present a club he doesn't own, or is legally allowed to own).

A pre-pack administration is in place, similar to the our last admin where Ken bought us back 1 minute after we entered administration.

David Haigh hasn't spent the last 15 years in finance as he was apparently running a male escort business only 10 years ago.

And because pre-pack admin is only used when a buyer is in place then it seems GFH already have someone lined up to take the place of Cellino. That somebody is purported to be David Haigh backed by the money bag of Ken Bates.

Make of this what you will but I wouldn't be surprised if most or all of this is true.

Leb has suggested it's about time we started our own club, I kind of like that idea myself. I'm sure the folk that set up FC United are nothing but delighted that they made the break.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

the Haigh male escort thing is clearly a nasty smear

some mentalist has been googling his name and found a functioning website of a male masseuse living in the USA

as for the rest

carry on  
Frazier Cranium

One day we might find out why he has refused to listen to Together Leeds' offer, why GFH lied about their offer, the comment 'derisory' I think it was.  And just think, if GFH hadn't somehow 'allowed' Cellino to wade in like a fuckwit before even owning the club, trying to sack people who he had no authority to sack and generally destabilising the club morale etc, we might have enjoyed the benefit of a supposedly very rich Italian owner who really did just want to build the club up to former glories again.  Haigh has a lot to answer for, and his mates of course, it's them who have dragged the club even lower than Bates dreamt of doing, and it's them and Cellino who are treating, mistreating, the club like a prized plaything which is getting damaged all the time they try and bluff us all.
fartcatcher

Football's rotten to the core.

Shaun Harvey's Chief Exec of the Football League despite having taken all four clubs he has been associated with into administration.

Ridsdale chairman of Preston despite being banned as a company director until 2020.

Our last two owners have screwed us over so effectively, that Cellino, who otherwise we wouldn't touch with a long shitty, is now the white knight who is going to save us with his suitcase full of dirty cash.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Haigh is (by Bates' admission socialising with Bates)

Here is a very revealing conversation if real

https://soundcloud.com/whiteleedsradio/interview-with-massimo-cellino
Forest

Sir Bulldog Craggwood wrote:
Haigh is (by Bates' admission socialising with Bates)

Here is a very revealing conversation if real

https://soundcloud.com/whiteleedsradio/interview-with-massimo-cellino


You couldn't make this stuff up

http://www.thefalsenine.co.uk/201...eakfast-cellinos-charm-offensive/
fartcatcher

Not that I'm a pessimist you understand, but:

Does anyone know what happens if we go into administration now?

Do we lose 10 points this season, or next season?

Or is there a special FL rule by which if it's Leeds we lose 10 both seasons?
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Cellino and Together Leeds talking/cooperating


http://www1.skysports.com/watch/v...ds-united/9245569/cellino-baffled

https://audioboo.fm/boos/2041901-...ntly-take-control-of-leeds-united
bearing

There had been talk of GFH lining up some Malaysians to buy us, apparently they'd been introduced by Shaun Harvey. No conflict of interest there then...

Not sure we're there's to sell now though as I've heard rumours that Cellino had already bought us.

So to sum up, I've no fecking idea what is going on apart from the fact I quite like the idea of a Cellino/Together Leeds partnership. For once it seems we may have some people interested in buying us that actually care about us.
Late Doors

bearing wrote:
There had been talk of GFH lining up some Malaysians to buy us, apparently they'd been introduced by Shaun Harvey.


wonder if they can arrange for him and Bates to be flown over on one of their planes
Dock

Late Doors wrote:
bearing wrote:
There had been talk of GFH lining up some Malaysians to buy us, apparently they'd been introduced by Shaun Harvey.


wonder if they can arrange for him and Bates to be flown over on one of their planes


LD's back WAHAY!        rockingdude7ee.gif  pickingnose.gif
fartcatcher

Cellino appeal successful.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26902775

FL rumoured to be unhappy and looking for another way of stopping him buying the club.

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