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lebowski

South America

I know our intrepid man Jones has recently visited, I am planning a touring holiday there later on this year with Mrs Leb.

Anyone got any useful tips - where/ where not to visit.

Best place to look for reasonable flights etc etc.

Buenos Aires is on my list - anyone been there ?

All info gladly accepted.

Cheers, Leb.
Jones the Steamed

Few questions first.

How long are you planning on spending in South America?

Which countries do you want to visit?

Which ninterests you most, citylife, countrylife, sport  or a combination of these and other things?
lebowski

Jones the Steamed wrote:
Few questions first.

How long are you planning on spending in South America?

Which countries do you want to visit?

Which ninterests you most, citylife, countrylife, sport  or a combination of these and other things?


OK - 3 or 4 weeks

Deffo Argentiina and Peru, open to suggestions for the rest, probably avoid Columbia

Definitely a combination.
Jones the Steamed

I based my trip on basically travelling around in a circle using BA as my start and finish point so booked flights through lastminute as I didn't leave myself a lot of time to pull everything together.  I paid £900 but you should be looking closer to £650 to £700 if you book well in advance, just shop around on the net.

BA is fantastic, whether Mrs Leb likes footie or not you've got to attend at least one game in BA and it doesn't  have to be River Plate or Boca, I enjoyed both Huracan games more than the 2 big ones.

I'll send you my guide to the authentic cafes, bars and restaurants of BA it's an invaluable pocket sized book I'd recommend to anybody visiting BA.

If you're heading up to Peru I'd suggest following my overland bus journey to Iguacu Falls, the bus is super comfie, cheap and allows you to take in the goucho feel of the country en route to the falls.

There's an airport in Iguacu so you have the option to ofverfly Paraguay and Bolivia direct to Peru, I'd do the overland thing but time and money constraints will probably decide that for you.

Lovettwatch's your man from Iguacu onwards, as you already know. He da man when it comes to South America.

You'll love it over there you lucky so and so.
lebowski

Jones the Steamed wrote:
I based my trip on basically travelling around in a circle using BA as my start and finish point so booked flights through lastminute as I didn't leave myself a lot of time to pull everything together.  I paid £900 but you should be looking closer to £650 to £700 if you book well in advance, just shop around on the net.

BA is fantastic, whether Mrs Leb likes footie or not you've got to attend at least one game in BA and it doesn't  have to be River Plate or Boca, I enjoyed both Huracan games more than the 2 big ones.

I'll send you my guide to the authentic cafes, bars and restaurants of BA it's an invaluable pocket sized book I'd recommend to anybody visiting BA.

If you're heading up to Peru I'd suggest following my overland bus journey to Iguacu Falls, the bus is super comfie, cheap and allows you to take in the goucho feel of the country en route to the falls.

There's an airport in Iguacu so you have the option to ofverfly Paraguay and Bolivia direct to Peru, I'd do the overland thing but time and money constraints will probably decide that for you.

Lovettwatch's your man from Iguacu onwards, as you already know. He da man when it comes to South America.

You'll love it over there you lucky so and so.


Brilliant Jones, thanks for taking the time there feller.
lebowski

Where did you fly from JTS ? Did you have to change planes at all ?
Jones the Steamed

I'd already booked to go to Germany for the Wales game so flew from Cologne to Paris and had a change in Sao Paolo. Looked in to flying from Manchester but you'll probably have to fly to one of the European hubs such as Munich, Frankfurt, Paris or Amsterdam for your one stop flights from Manc.  

Sao Paulo seems to be a popular stop en route to BA so you might find 2 stop flights via Sao Paulo a little cheaper than a 1 stop.

I flew with 3 different airlines to get me to BA (Lufthansa, Tam and British Airways), having booked with lastminute I checked my luggage in at Cologne and suprisingly met up with it on time in BA.

You can tailor your flights with lastminute to return from a different city such as Lima in your case, I'd get their price then check their listed carriers site to see if you can get a cheaper deal direct with them.

Hope this helps.
lebowski

Cheers again JTS , I'd notices Sao Paolo seemed to feature on most of the itinerarys that I'd seen. I'll check out Iguacu falls - Buenos Aires looks ace just from browsing the net.


As far as the footy goes, last year I was staying in the same hotel as Boca Juniors when they played Barca at the Camp Nou, the place was besieged by fanatical Argies - it was great. Our lass wondered why there was such a fuss about a junior team.
Lovettwatch

Peru is best visited for tourist reasons, football there is broke and broken.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvic...e_slide_of_peruvian_football.html
If you are going to Lima though (which people hate, though it does have a shabby charm) the three teams Universitario, Alianza and Sporting Cristal are reasonably well supported. Peru is huge, with a terrible infastructure (due to geography as much as anything) so it needs at leat a couple of weeks to even scratch the surface of the main spots.

Colombia is no longer especially dangerous for tourists, thanks the the US-funded militarisation of the country and it's fascistic president pushing the war to rural areas, where the booty of oil, ranching and bio-fuel plantations is to be reaped. I'm going there for 7 weeks this summer, I spent 3 weeks there in 1998...things were a bit dodgy then, had loads of army cheachpoints, we'd all have to speard our arms against the bus as we were patted down by (usually poilte and curious) conscripts. Extraordinarily beautiful place, the most scenic in the continent. Incredible culture. And not least stunning looking women. I've never seen a game there but I'll be putting that right this time.
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/bl...lombian-flame-still-burns-124523/

La Paz is well linked to Sao Paulo by air, and Bolivia is amazing, like no-where on earth. The football is shit but very enjoyable.

Don't go mid-june-ish to mid-late july. Outside of Brazil it's the break between seasons, most run a two championship a season system. Aregntina's apertura nearly always starts the 1st or 2nd weekend of august. All the leagues finish around early to mid december.
lebowski

Lovettwatch wrote:
Peru is best visited for tourist reasons, football there is broke and broken.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/timvic...e_slide_of_peruvian_football.html
If you are going to Lima though (which people hate, though it does have a shabby charm) the three teams Universitario, Alianza and Sporting Cristal are reasonably well supported. Peru is huge, with a terrible infastructure (due to geography as much as anything) so it needs at leat a couple of weeks to even scratch the surface of the main spots.

Colombia is no longer especially dangerous for tourists, thanks the the US-funded militarisation of the country and it's fascistic president pushing the war to rural areas, where the booty of oil, ranching and bio-fuel plantations is to be reaped. I'm going there for 7 weeks this summer, I spent 3 weeks there in 1998...things were a bit dodgy then, had loads of army cheachpoints, we'd all have to speard our arms against the bus as we were patted down by (usually poilte and curious) conscripts. Extraordinarily beautiful place, the most scenic in the continent. Incredible culture. And not least stunning looking women. I've never seen a game there but I'll be putting that right this time.
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/bl...lombian-flame-still-burns-124523/

La Paz is well linked to Sao Paulo by air, and Bolivia is amazing, like no-where on earth. The football is shit but very enjoyable.

Don't go mid-june-ish to mid-late july. Outside of Brazil it's the break between seasons, most run a two championship a season system. Aregntina's apertura nearly always starts the 1st or 2nd weekend of august. All the leagues finish around early to mid december.


Thanks for the info LW
Lovettwatch

Another piece on Peruvian football here, by the same author.
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/bl...kery/peru-in-dire-straits-172439/

The youtube about the young Peruvian star shows a lot of his goals in domestic Peruvian football for Alianza, the team in the blue and white stripes.

Jones has amply described the joys of seeing games in Argentina and Brazil, but it's surprisingly enjoyable too going to some clapped out ground in the Andes. Sitting with a couple of thousand people late afternoon/early evening, the beer, peanut and coffee sellers wandering around. The long suffering fans, few in number, but the same as us back home. You realise it's exactly the same, just different.

By the way, flying between south american capitals is not as easy or as cheap as you imagine. Being colonies, infastructure, trade and thought was chained to europe and the US, countries were deliberatly set against each other. Thankfully this is changing, despite dire warnings from the liberal media here.

Probabaly the best airline network across the continent now is Chile's LAN, they have domestic offshoots in most countries. Brazil's TAM too. And try ringing Journey Latin America, they are good on all this stuff. A lot of flight connections don't come up on online sites.
http://www.journeylatinamerica.co.uk/
New Old Codger

I went for a month 7 years ago, to Bolivia, Peru and planned Chile.

LOVED Bolivia, La Paz was vibrant, exciting, friendly, enthralling, cheap.

Travelled by bus from Bolivia to Peru to get to Maccu Picchu (spelling iffy!) which has been my favourite visit of everywhere, plus we had a couple of days in a place called Copacabana near the Isla Del Sol or summat.  We'd been warned long time b4 to miss out Lima and Peru is such a big place we decided not to try and trek the whole place as we'd be risking missing other great places, like Chile.  Except we went to Chile for a day and wherever it was was like a US Blackpool - horrible so we fecked off back to Bolivia and La Paz.

So many great things about Bolivia and Peru, but I can't remember most of the place names.  The 'original' capital city of Peru is lovely, as is a knackered old town called Potose which has a silver mine and a footie team based on Madrid called Real Potose - might still be a website.

Managed to watch nearly every Leeds game somehow, in very non-English/Irish bars etc, unfortunately we didnt win any of em.

LOVED the places, even though the company I was in wasn't great and my health wasn't the best.  DO IT!

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