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Scandal (MCR)

Hey up Dock, what do you make of the doping scandal that's hit Godolphin?  Do you reckon it's tainted their history?
fartcatcher

First time i read this story in the paper i thought godolphin was the drug they were using.
sheeps

Re: Scandal (MCR)

bearing wrote:
Hey up Dock, what do you make of the doping scandal that's hit Godolphin?  Do you reckon it's tainted their history?


There is no scandal in hoss racing, just doping, race fixing and hoss' being killed cos they can't run fast anymore.

And you can get a nasty bite 'feeding the horse' Ponty style.
fartcatcher

I wonder whether horses suffer from 'roid rage.
Dock

Re: Scandal (MCR)

bearing wrote:
Hey up Dock, what do you make of the doping scandal that's hit Godolphin?  Do you reckon it's tainted their history?


I could do a massive post about this but I will keep it short (leave it).

I was as shocked as any race fan at the news. Especially as Shiekh Mohammed has an almost unrivalled passion for horse racing. But this isn't his fault. The Shiekh is valued at an estimated 10 billion. So if you put that into the equation there is nothing in it for him to order trainers to dope horses in order to win prize money. He doesn't need it.

I believe the buck stops very abruptly with the trainer Mohammed Al Zarooni. A man who only a few years ago was given a trainers position with the global Godophin bloodstock and training organisation. It will baffle me until my dying day why a man handed one of the golden jobs in racing threw it away by doping horses. But he did, which led last week to him being given an eight year (none of that ten match ban shite in racing) ban by the BHA to train horses or to enter a British racecourse. With regard to any future career in training, he is in the final analysis, completely fucked. He has disgraced racing and he has disgraced the trust placed on him by the shiekh. Shiekh Mohammed has been a crucial force in British racing since the mid-eighties and the value of his patronage of it is incalculable. For cynics they will always find something to scoff at but for those like me it would take a lot more than one dickhead of a trainer to tarnish such a prestigious organisation.

PS I hope his horse Dawn Approach trained by Jim Bolger absolutely annihilates all the completion in this weekend's 2000 Guineas. And I hope he is there in person to see it. Good luck Sir!
sheeps

Maybe he doesn't need the money but I bet he loves those shiny cups.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

thought this thread was about Coronation Street

*backs out past Rover's Return*
Heyho

great write up Dock. I don't know one end of a horse to the stuff I've eaten in Tesco mince but this whole fiasco sends shock waves throug the industry.

Do you think there has been a major advantage when a horse has been doped which brings into question all those millions one and loss at the hands of the bookies
fartcatcher

I would imagine that in the short term it would give them an advantage as they build up muscle.

Longer term, they develop a very deep voice and their genitals start to shrivel.
Grind

This deep voice you speak of - could they just be a little hoarse?
Dock

Heyho wrote:
great write up Dock. I don't know one end of a horse to the stuff I've eaten in Tesco mince but this whole fiasco sends shock waves throug the industry.

Do you think there has been a major advantage when a horse has been doped which brings into question all those millions one and loss at the hands of the bookies


No I don't think there is a big advantage as the doping could have a big effect or little effect depending on the horse's individual stamina etc. But as you rightly say people do bet on horses and if you are a £5 - £10 a bet person or at the other end of the scale betting tens of thousands on a horse, the big hitters or your old lads camped out in a bookies betting £1 a time then horse doping is cheating you out of your hard-earned. And as for all the staff at stables who can take months in schooling one particular horse for a one particular race like the Derby and the owners who put money into a stable to make sure a horse gets the best diet etc., then they too are cheated as soon as their horse is up against a horse that has an unfair advantage because it has been doped. For me personally doping is to racing what a huge cig burn is to a beautifully upholstered piece of furniture. Its a fucking horrible disgusting lasting mark on a very unique classy, good quality, and elegant production.
Grind

So, in conclusion......

fartcatcher

It seems bizarre that different rules on the use of steroids apply in different countries. In Australia, the use of steroids is permitted, as long as all traces are out of the horses system by the time it races.

Grind

They've the same approach to donkey shagging.
Grind

Mint juleps all round - it's Kentucky Derby Day!
Dock

Re: Scandal (MCR)

Dock wrote:
bearing wrote:
Hey up Dock, what do you make of the doping scandal that's hit Godolphin?  Do you reckon it's tainted their history?


I could do a massive post about this but I will keep it short (leave it).

I was as shocked as any race fan at the news. Especially as Shiekh Mohammed has an almost unrivalled passion for horse racing. But this isn't his fault. The Shiekh is valued at an estimated 10 billion. So if you put that into the equation there is nothing in it for him to order trainers to dope horses in order to win prize money. He doesn't need it.

I believe the buck stops very abruptly with the trainer Mohammed Al Zarooni. A man who only a few years ago was given a trainers position with the global Godophin bloodstock and training organisation. It will baffle me until my dying day why a man handed one of the golden jobs in racing threw it away by doping horses. But he did, which led last week to him being given an eight year (none of that ten match ban shite in racing) ban by the BHA to train horses or to enter a British racecourse. With regard to any future career in training, he is in the final analysis, completely fucked. He has disgraced racing and he has disgraced the trust placed on him by the shiekh. Shiekh Mohammed has been a crucial force in British racing since the mid-eighties and the value of his patronage of it is incalculable. For cynics they will always find something to scoff at but for those like me it would take a lot more than one dickhead of a trainer to tarnish such a prestigious organisation.

PS I hope his horse Dawn Approach trained by Jim Bolger absolutely annihilates all the completion in this weekend's 2000 Guineas. And I hope he is there in person to see it. Good luck Sir!


Re: Different rules for different countries. The problem is racing doesn't have a world organisation like football has FIFA. It should just be a total ban on all steroids for racehorses. The Godolphin thing has had a good outcome in the fact that this issue is finally going to get seriously discussed. The Aga Khan (v. powerful bloke and racehorse owner) has stepped up and asked for a big sitdown between all the racing nations to finally put this farcical situation of different steroid rules to be put to bed (when he talks people tend to listen). Anyway, here's a clip of yesterday's convincing win by Dawn Appraoch. A mile race is a great test. The question is will DA adjust to the longer distance of The Derby? IMHO judging on this he should give it a bloody good go. Dawn Appraoch is in the middle of the field, Kevin Manning is in Godolphin Blue, and, well, er, here's how to win a horse race. 10/10


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