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Dalek

Robins beats Hockaday

... to the sack!
smiling badger

Keep loosing to the likes of Millwall and he wont be far behind Robins.
Just a matter of time unfortunately. Another reason to unsettle the squad.
Heyho

It's not the managers fault is it. We went down hill last November and if it wasn't for a decent goal scorer we could have been down last season. Now he has gone and we've had a clear out and replaced with as bad or even worse.

I really don't understand peoples mentality.
smiling badger

Hockaday is on for a hiding for nothing. MC's scapegoat. He is the one to take all the flack thrown at the team from supporters, media amd Celino.
He cant win unless we are winning.
Sorry, dont give the poor guy much hope im afraid.
A poor team to try and perform miracles with.
Hopefully he may surprise us all.
fartcatcher

His assessment of the Millwall game - we were crap first half but better in the second half - had a familiar ring to it.
Dalek

Anybody think that Malky Mackay will be heading north soon?
Frazier Cranium

Nope.
Dalek

Without a capable manager installed,we will have to look forward to appearing in Round 1 of the FA Cup next season.

Cellino has invested too much to take a step backwards.
smiling badger

I think that El President will have to think carefully about his next move if he is concerned about Hocks capabilities as a Coach,Trainer whatever his role at the club is supposed to be.
Sacking people after less than half a dozen games is ridiculous. He appointed the guy so surely he must have had some faith in the fella?? He bought these new players that we dont really know too much about apart from knowing most have played in Italy.
Or is he starting to feel the vibes from a majority of the fans and their feelings towards Mr Hockaday?
All in all its just the usual shit on and off the field for Leeds United.
And to be honest its getting boring shit now.
Dalek

As I intimated above, Mr Hockaday was not going to be right for us.

Cellino has his own views about how the club should be set up - and he installed them with what he thought would be a successful combination.

As is clear (I hope), from my opening post, sacking a manager in the very early point of the season is ridiculous - but these are the times we live in.  My original post was not aimed at the talents or otherwise of Hockaday, but rather at the propensity of Cellino to change coaches as he seems fit.

What I am saying now on here is what I was saying earlier to colleagues & drinking buddies - and that is that in my opinion, Hockaday is not the right man for the job at Leeds United.

I said that Cellino would not take a step backwards - and that is why he will change his approach to this season.  I expect that he will spend the extra money to appoint a manager with the experience to get Leeds out of the Championship within 2 years.

I think he has been working hard to attract good players given the various reports - but the apparent collapse for different reasons of deals (along with the clear growing dissatisfaction of current players - by wanting to leave) indicates to me that a change is needed, no matter how harsh this would be. If we had a top quality and proven coach/manager then the on/off/on/ off deals for players mentioned would have materialised into contracts. I don't think that the reasons deals have collapsed always stack up. The person they would be playing under also has an influence and if they think that the person cannot develop their game, why should good young players come to the club?  That is when we would end up with ageing journeymen wanting to get a last good position.  Does this sound familiar at all?

To me personally, the right manager should be given at least a half a season (preferably a full season) to make his mark, but when an appointment is clearly not working, then a different decision has to be made. That is the harsh reality - but I would not want to see us relegated purely to give the coach "a fair chance".

I'm afraid that Hockaday has shot his bolt by saying that he doesn't have enough Championship quality players.

My post about Malky Mackay was in no way flippant - there are other managers available (Tim Sherwood, Tony Pulis, Steve Clarke) who could join - but I think that Mackay needs a job out of the main spotlight to restore his reputation and the Leeds job may be one that he could not resist.

Cellino has been excellent at sorting out the financial woes in the club, but I think that by now, he knows we need an experienced Championship/Premier League manager to achieve his aims for LUFC.

Appoint a big manager now and watch the players come in before the transfer window shuts.  The poor start to the season will then become a faded memory come May.

It is not beyond the realms of possibility that Cellino appointed Hockaday purely to get rid of him early to establish his control over what he always anticipated to be a more high profile post holder.

Time will tell.
Frazier Cranium

Wise words Mr Dalek but you do need to realise that Cellino hired a coach, not a manager.  Or in my words, he hired a patsy, and Hockaday won't be the first.
fartcatcher

Quote:
Leeds head coach Dave Hockaday said: "I thought we were passing the ball well, frustrating them, they were getting very frustrated and animated on their bench, they were changing things.

"I thought we came here and did a very, very good job and played some decent stuff which I'm very, very happy with."


And we've signed a player called Sloth. You couldn't make it up.
Dalek

Frazier Cranium wrote:
Wise words Mr Dalek but you do need to realise that Cellino hired a coach, not a manager.  Or in my words, he hired a patsy, and Hockaday won't be the first.


Cellino did indeed hire a coach - as that is what he thought was the way forwards - but I think he will realise that to maximise his investment, he needs to modify this concept.

The title of the appointee is not important, but the effectiveness and influence is.
Frazier Cranium

It is important though, because it means not only will he lower his objectives when looking to hire someone but it means he will be able to pay them less than a proper manager would be paid, and of course it means sacking him will be a lot cheaper than sacking a proper manager too.  It also means only someone who 'enjoys' working in this system - ie a patsy who will get all the flak even though he isn't the manager, and won't get much credit if he does the job well - will apply for the job as coach.  I accept all of that, if the owner wants to be the manager then so be it, but he needs to hire someone as coach who has worked in similar circumstances before.  I can think of one ex Leeds man who has good experience in this 'continental' way and who definitely has been interested in the job, and had a good assistant coach lined up to join him if he got offered the job.  

I feel sorry for anyone who is ignominiously ousted from a job they love, but Hockaday shouldn't have been given the job in the first place.
fartcatcher

Quote:
I can think of one ex Leeds man who has good experience in this 'continental' way and who definitely has been interested in the job, and had a good assistant coach lined up to join him if he got offered the job.  


Sounds too good to be true. Are you at liberty to 'name names' ?  
Frazier Cranium

Sure, I wasn't being ITK mystical or owt

Bobby Davison was definitely interested, and he was coach of Ferencvaros at one time.  And his mate was - and I can't say for sure this was true but I trust the person who told me - was... ah you'd better PM me if you want to know, it might be speaking out of turn if I post it here.  Sorry, I'm no more clued up on LU than the next numpty season ticket holder but I'm not bullshitting, I just don't want to post something which I can't prove
bearing

I posted to someone on twitter earlier that Cellino was the manager and Hockaday was the coach. He'd suggested that Hocks was the worst manager since El Tel.
Forest

Leeds United have released a club statement on their official site regarding head-coach Dave Hockaday.

Hockaday is set to stay at Elland Road for the time being
It Reads: ‘In response to recent media speculation the club would like to confirm that David Hockaday remains the head coach of Leeds United Football Club.

The club will make no further comment on this matter.’ 

Leeds’ Italian owner Massimo Cellino said to Phil Hay: “Yes, I decided to sack him. I said ‘he’s finished.’ But I learned a long time ago to wait on a decision for 24 hours.”

“If I fire the coach I should fire myself because I haven’t signed enough good players. How can that be his fault.”

“We lost yesterday because of one shit mistake from Bellusci. I see that now. I didn’t see it that way yesterday.”

“If Bellusci didn’t f*** up and we win the game, would I be firing the coach? No.”

“Maybe he’s not a good coach but I can’t say yet.”
Frazier Cranium

What a cock.
smiling badger

Fuck me. Imagine trying to work for an employer like that.
fartcatcher

It's a bit weak as a vote of confidence. Suspect Cellino will give him a couple more games.

It must be incredibly difficult for Hockaday to coach a team when half of them don't speak English.
The Italian lads are bound to stick together, and you've potentially got two factions in the team as well as the other shit.

Who knows, when Hock gets the sack, Cellino might do a Watford and bring in an Italian coach and entire team.

Codge - I thought you meant Alex Sabella.  
Frazier Cranium

No.  Think dodgy centre-half, in the 1980s
bearing

Forest wrote:


“We lost yesterday because of one shit mistake from Bellusci. I see that now. I didn’t see it that way yesterday.”

“If Bellusci didn’t f*** up and we win the game, would I be firing the coach? No.”



How does he come to that conclusion?  We lost because Watford scored four goals (five if you count ours) we had no shots on target even though we had the edge on possession.
fartcatcher

Frazier Cranium wrote:
No.  Think dodgy centre-half, in the 1980s


Paul (o.g.) Hart?
Frazier Cranium

Paul Hart turned out to be an excellent centre half and a good manager and coach, and a very nice chap too.

Why don't you just pm me and I'll tell you?
Late Doors

Think we can safely say he (MC) hasn't had a course on media training but should perhaps have a think about what he says first.

I appreciate what dalek is saying but i think it is still far too early to make any harsh judgements and decisions. Then again i didn't find anything wrong with his appointment in the first place other than it was risky, but worth a risk especially with the owners management model. What's the alternative? another floating failure on the managemet sushi belt
Frazier Cranium

Alternative was to hire a coach and assistant coach who has a decent record/CV, who would therefore have respect from the LU personnel and fans before he even got there.  Just opinion like
Heyho

Frazier Cranium wrote:
Alternative was to hire a coach and assistant coach who has a decent record/CV, who would therefore have respect from the LU personnel and fans before he even got there.  Just opinion like


Nahhh some just out of playing Italian muppet seems favourite to me.
Frazier Cranium

Heyho wrote:
Frazier Cranium wrote:
Alternative was to hire a coach and assistant coach who has a decent record/CV, who would therefore have respect from the LU personnel and fans before he even got there.  Just opinion like


Nahhh some just out of playing Italian muppet seems favourite to me.


But he hired two English fellas from what, none non-league levels.  How the fuck did he expect to do anything positive with two in football terms non-entities is bloody astounding.  

Next up might well be an Italian, and good luck to him, but why didn't he have the courage to do that from the off?
Dalek

Hockaday has been sacked according to the BBC Sport website.

Unfortunately for him, he was given a job to do that was beyond his capabilities.  The mistake was in his appointment - not in his effort or ambition.

Good Luck to him in his next position.
Dalek

The rumours are that Rolando Maran will be brought in.
Grind

Random Moron more like....
smiling badger

Was just a matter of time wasnt it.
Must say i feel a little sorry for the fella.
Shouldnt have been appointed from the off.
fartcatcher

Picking Norris was the final straw  

Poor guy - out of his depth.

Now what. Too late to bring Colin back.  
Heyho

Dalek wrote:
The rumours are that Rolando Maran will be brought in.


Sounds good to me:

In 11 June 2012, after impressing during his coaching spells in Serie B becoming one of the most highly rated managers in the league, he joined Catania in Serie A. After taking over he led Catania to a record-breaking season where they accrued 56 points from 38 Serie A matches. The season also saw Catania take a record amount of home wins in one season, its record number of victories overall in a single top flight campaign, as well as its record points total in Serie A for the fifth consecutive season. Catania finished 8th in Serie A, finishing behind Lazio in 7th place and finishing ahead of giants Inter Milan.

Maran however failed to repeat his impressive results in the 2013/14 season, and was ultimately dismissed on 20 October 2013 after a 1–2 loss to Cagliari Calcio that left Catania in the relegation zone. He was replaced by Luigi De Canio.[2]

On January 15, 2014 he was hired again as the Catania head coach before being sacked for the second time on April 6 2014, after five defeats in a row and with the team bottom of the league.
fartcatcher

Steve Clarke's name keeps being mentioned. Surely he's got more sense,
Dalek

Steve Clarke would be a good choice for me out of who is available and may be interested.

I think he did well at West Brom and was sacked rather harshly (so is well prepared!   )

This would also fit in with Cellino's wish for an English coach.
Frazier Cranium

Though he's Scottish I believe (no fuss if I'm wrong ) I do agree.  Wouldn't mind Di Matteo either tbh.
smiling badger

Anybody for Paul Hart?
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

smiling badger wrote:
Anybody for Paul Hart?


too old and mild-mannered surely
Frazier Cranium

A proper gent is Hart-y, and I wouldn't wish this place on anyone these days
Dalek

Bookies have cut the odds sharply on Larry making a return to Elland Road.
bearing

Dalek wrote:
Bookies have cut the odds sharply on Larry making a return to Elland Road.


I believe a lot of that is coming from Larry's 'team' Cellino is apparently not that enamoured with him but he'd make an ideal yes man for the Italian.

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