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Late Doors

Pubs you genuinely miss.

Lots shut, as we know, some change and some buldozed but what they were has gone forever. Many won't be missed much but i reckon every single one will be missed by at least someone. Ill start with a couple of Hudders town center boozers.

The West Riding. Beer shit but THE place in town for all the dandy young things and every subculture going. Fantastic music and the Saturday afternoon discos legendary.

The White Lion. Fab Tetley beer,live bands and took up the hosting of the Saturday discos when the West went pear shape. Coincided with all day opening as well in the late eighties. Even more legendary

Great pubs, great times, always busy, wtf went wrong?
Heyho

the White Hart is Woodlesford.

Take yer pizza slices in with you as you drank and the kids could run about. Now a load of houses leaving one pub in the village (Pointers) which I choose not to frequent. Had some great nights in the White Hart.

Cobourg was a good pub when I was a student and so was that Irish pub (which for some reason I have forgotten its name!!) just on the other side of the road to the New Roscoe.

Obviously still there but my fave pub of all time -Duck and Drake is losing its identity. Shame really.

I notice Eagle Tavern has re-opened. Will have to give it a try.
Dock

I've never missed a pub that's gone. Life moves on. It's just bricks and mortar. There are other pubs.
sheeps

Heyho wrote:
the White Hart is Woodlesford.

Take yer pizza slices in with you as you drank and the kids could run about. Now a load of houses leaving one pub in the village (Pointers) which I choose not to frequent. Had some great nights in the White Hart.

Cobourg was a good pub when I was a student and so was that Irish pub (which for some reason I have forgotten its name!!) just on the other side of the road to the New Roscoe.

Obviously still there but my fave pub of all time -Duck and Drake is losing its identity. Shame really.

I notice Eagle Tavern has re-opened. Will have to give it a try.


Regent?
Frazier Cranium

sheeps wrote:
Heyho wrote:
the White Hart is Woodlesford.

Take yer pizza slices in with you as you drank and the kids could run about. Now a load of houses leaving one pub in the village (Pointers) which I choose not to frequent. Had some great nights in the White Hart.

Cobourg was a good pub when I was a student and so was that Irish pub (which for some reason I have forgotten its name!!) just on the other side of the road to the New Roscoe.

Obviously still there but my fave pub of all time -Duck and Drake is losing its identity. Shame really.

I notice Eagle Tavern has re-opened. Will have to give it a try.


Regent?


That's the one, Sheeps.  

Town Hall Tavern, was refurbed and thus ruined maybe 20 years ago.

The Blooming Rose in Hunslet, for many years renowned for being purveyors of the best Tetleys going.  I never had cause to doubt the clami, that's for sure.

The Jubilee opposite the town hall.
Late Doors

Only Bricks and Mortar?

Oh Ms Vermont, as owner and custodian of all these many Van Goghs that have been so cruelly destroyed by that fire you must be absolutely devastated.

Ahh No "shrugs shoulders* they are only Oil and Canvas, there are more paintings

Think you've put all your Soul into that soul Thread mate

Cant remember the Jubilee at all, what circa?

Although only recently demised im still a bit gutted about the Zephyr in Hudders town closing. No otherl reason i gather other than the owner wanted to concentrate on his "New Zephyr" on Wood street which is pig swill and full of wankers
Dock

I have happy memories of certain friends and nights in certain pubs but that's it. It's past, done. Next experience please!

Ok then I'll play along. Sunny's in Chapeltown. Edgy, good music, and cans of Red Stripe served from a formica-topped bar. The Music Factory that was at the bottom of Briggate. Best club venue there has ever been in Leeds.
Forest

Florence Nightingale
Heyho

Forest wrote:
Florence Nightingale


Will second that. It was in the days of still being single and working at Jimmies it would be rude not to go in. And actually a reflection of how the NHS used to be. 4'ish and someone would say 'how about a pint'. 'How about you David' (David was the chief exec!!). 5:30 and the pub would be packed with us all and the Exec.
fartcatcher

Every time I come up to Leeds there's another one gone.

Most recently The Chemic Tavern.

Last time I went past the Haddon Hall - where I saw some great bands - it looked semi-derelict.

High Wood had special memories for me as I had my first pint there. It was a shit-hole though.

Garden Gate used to serve great beer and was stunning inside.

If you want to depress yourself further there's a list of them here and lots of old pics on the Secret Leeds Forum.

http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/yorkshire/leeds.html
Butts

Heyho wrote:
Forest wrote:
Florence Nightingale


Will second that. It was in the days of still being single and working at Jimmies it would be rude not to go in. And actually a reflection of how the NHS used to be. 4'ish and someone would say 'how about a pint'. 'How about you David' (David was the chief exec!!). 5:30 and the pub would be packed with us all and the Exec.


Thirded. Great pub - esp 83-86.
Butts

fartcatcher wrote:
Every time I come up to Leeds there's another one gone.

Most recently The Chemic Tavern.

Last time I went past the Haddon Hall - where I saw some great bands - it looked semi-derelict.

High Wood had special memories for me as I had my first pint there. It was a shit-hole though.

Garden Gate used to serve great beer and was stunning inside.

If you want to depress yourself further there's a list of them here and lots of old pics on the Secret Leeds Forum.

http://www.closedpubs.co.uk/yorkshire/leeds.html


The Chemic's still going although only just - getting a bit of a reputation as a music venue - folk and open mic stuff.

The Shoulder of Mutton on Potternewton Lane was a happening pub - mid-late 90s, a real mix of people until, alas, a shooting saw it enter a long and sad decline.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

The old-style Three Horseshoes in Headingley with a snug, wood panelled walls, old photos of Leeds RL and YCCC - when Tetley''s was still drinkable

It's still got the same name I think but its a student-bar now and falls down on every measure. No atmosphere, grim lagers, messy wooden benches and dirty chairs, tacky decor, cold, wet floors, staff that couldn't care less and daft kids in fancy dress enjoying their first pint
Cutsyke

Of all time? Cullens. Brilliant out of the way unpretentious spot, sensible door policy, great mix of people, rarely any bother, cool bar staff and a DJ who played music I really enjoyed.

That whole East Street Run. Big fan of The Fisherman's Hut.
Dock

Late Doors wrote:
Only Bricks and Mortar?

Oh Ms Vermont, as owner and custodian of all these many Van Goghs that have been so cruelly destroyed by that fire you must be absolutely devastated.

Ahh No "shrugs shoulders* they are only Oil and Canvas, there are more paintings

Think you've put all your Soul into that soul Thread mate

Cant remember the Jubilee at all, what circa?

Although only recently demised im still a bit gutted about the Zephyr in Hudders town closing. No otherl reason i gather other than the owner wanted to concentrate on his "New Zephyr" on Wood street which is pig swill and full of wankers


See, the thing is for me, I have happy memories of certain friends and pubs that we frequented at certain times in my life but I wouldn't say I MISS them. I'm too busy living mate, instead of being a Moaning Michael about missing things that once were. But it's that manufactured nostalgia that you LU lot seem to thrive on. Their just chapters in life if you ask me...I know you won't.
Late Doors

Hardly Moaning, I'd say looking back fondly. Can't agree more about the "living" thing and like to think I do my best but one of the things about living, human existence as opposed to the eat- propagate -exist lives of so called lesser creatures is the ability to contextualise. The absorbing of experiences and the world around us, to then examine them and try to rationalise them so we learn and hopefully improve. Like for instance learning not to contemplate putting foreign workers on lists. Plato who himself did a fair bit of living and knew a thing or two said "An unexamined life is not worth living"

For sure its mainly people who provide the memories of ace pubs but not just in the obvious way. It's the builders who designed and built them, the artisans and craftsmen who decorated them, the people who worked in them and the gaffers who ran them. All made a difference and contributed to what made them great and separated them from the ordinary which is what this thread is about.

If I've come over as moaning then that was not my intention. To "miss" something does not imply I am beside myself with grief, I miss our regfests but y'know, I've got other mates . Tell you what, I'll start another thread on new pubs or pubs that are better  now than they were.
Frazier Cranium

Dock wrote:
Late Doors wrote:
Only Bricks and Mortar?

Oh Ms Vermont, as owner and custodian of all these many Van Goghs that have been so cruelly destroyed by that fire you must be absolutely devastated.

Ahh No "shrugs shoulders* they are only Oil and Canvas, there are more paintings

Think you've put all your Soul into that soul Thread mate

Cant remember the Jubilee at all, what circa?

Although only recently demised im still a bit gutted about the Zephyr in Hudders town closing. No otherl reason i gather other than the owner wanted to concentrate on his "New Zephyr" on Wood street which is pig swill and full of wankers


See, the thing is for me, I have happy memories of certain friends and pubs that we frequented at certain times in my life but I wouldn't say I MISS them. I'm too busy living mate, instead of being a Moaning Michael about missing things that once were. But it's that manufactured nostalgia that you LU lot seem to thrive on. Their just chapters in life if you ask me...I know you won't.


Blimey, I feel guilty for remembering Gary Sprake now.

I thought this forum was past slagging off people just because of their allegiance to a football team as if they're obsessives and numpties, obviously not.
Dock

Frazier Cranium wrote:
Dock wrote:
Late Doors wrote:
Only Bricks and Mortar?

Oh Ms Vermont, as owner and custodian of all these many Van Goghs that have been so cruelly destroyed by that fire you must be absolutely devastated.

Ahh No "shrugs shoulders* they are only Oil and Canvas, there are more paintings

Think you've put all your Soul into that soul Thread mate

Cant remember the Jubilee at all, what circa?

Although only recently demised im still a bit gutted about the Zephyr in Hudders town closing. No otherl reason i gather other than the owner wanted to concentrate on his "New Zephyr" on Wood street which is pig swill and full of wankers


See, the thing is for me, I have happy memories of certain friends and pubs that we frequented at certain times in my life but I wouldn't say I MISS them. I'm too busy living mate, instead of being a Moaning Michael about missing things that once were. But it's that manufactured nostalgia that you LU lot seem to thrive on. Their just chapters in life if you ask me...I know you won't.


Blimey, I feel guilty for remembering Gary Sprake now.

I thought this forum was past slagging off people just because of their allegiance to a football team as if they're obsessives and numpties, obviously not.


Don't pout! Here's a dimple glass of Whitbread to cheer you up yer big daft football fundamentalist! I'm also getting smoking in pubs and meat raffles reinstated just for you lot. Them were t'days!

Late Doors



Didn't you get the Memo Codge?
*Beckons Codge to come hither*
*Cups side of mouth as he looks around, whispers furtively into his ear*

We've agreed to ignore his LU Stuff
Dock

Late Doors wrote:


Didn't you get the Memo Codge?
*Beckons Codge to come hither*
*Cups side of mouth as he looks around, whispers furtively into his ear*

We've agreed to ignore his LU Stuff


"His LU stuff". This thread is the first time I've said owt about LU since approx. April. Hardly a persistent offender. Anyway, everybody has always ignored my LU stuff. The word on the street is most people on here think I'm a dick. So I expect to be ignored.
Cutsyke

Never smoked but I sort of miss smokey bars. No logic to that at all. I do like waking up the next day not stinking mind.
Never seen or heard of a meat raffle until earlier this year.
Plastic Man

Cutsyke wrote:
Never smoked but I sort of miss smokey bars. No logic to that at all. I do like waking up the next day not stinking mind.
Never seen or heard of a meat raffle until earlier this year.


One of the smokiest pubs I ever encountered was the Duck and Drake. I can only picture the old place in sepia - the brown being the smoke residues dripping off the walls and ceiling. Since the smoking ban, and in particular the re-painting of the place, its never been quite the same, although the clientele don't seem to have changed.

Heyho has the D&D as his favourite pub of all time, but thinks it's is losing its identity. I would agree and think the smoking ban has a lot to answer for. The Junction, probably the best pub in Otley, has also lost a little something as well since the smoking ban and it stopped being as sepia tinted.

Meat raffles - I've never actually attended one, though I was aware of their apparent existence through a major journalistic record of Northern life (Viz comic).
Cutsyke

Bar over here called The Scratcher, a basement bar, had no air conditioning for the first few years. Ceilings about 8ft.
Forest

Butts wrote:
Heyho wrote:
Forest wrote:
Florence Nightingale


Will second that. It was in the days of still being single and working at Jimmies it would be rude not to go in. And actually a reflection of how the NHS used to be. 4'ish and someone would say 'how about a pint'. 'How about you David' (David was the chief exec!!). 5:30 and the pub would be packed with us all and the Exec.


Thirded. Great pub - esp 83-86.


Weird mix of locals, hospital staff and hospital patients (including one or two psychiatric patients) that worked.  Shame about it blowing up really.
Late Doors

It blew up? Really ? How, why?

We had a great pub outside our hospital in Lindley. The Fleece, sounds like a simular place. Didnt blow up though.

Meat raffles a regular thing in a couple of places i worked in. Donated often by the local butcher who mysteriously seemed to always win the football scratch card in the cricket club on a Sunday.
Cutsyke

Gas leak wasn't it?
Used to drink in there from time to time and the one next door, the name of which escapes me.
My dad had been in a car crash as a young man, ended up in Jimmy's for quite a while. He met a bloke in there who became a firm friend who'd been in a motor bike crash, lost his wife, I believe. At dad's funeral his pal told me that they met on the ward and that at the time they gave them a bottle of Guinness a day. The nurse had been distracted and dad had managed to get out of bed and hide a crate under this bloke's bed. He knew he'd found a kindred spirit.
Later he said dad asked a nurse if she was catholic as he had an inkling that she went to mass every Saturday evening. When she replied that she was he asked her to take him to mass next week. They got the ok from the matron or whatever it was in the 60s and the next Saturday headed out the front door of Jimmy's dad in a wheelchair. This is where dad said right I'll see you back here in an hour and headed to The Florence. After seeing my grandad cry and telling me, correctly, you're not supposed to bury your kids, this cheered everyone up tremendously.
Forest

Late Doors wrote:
It blew up? Really ? How, why?

We had a great pub outside our hospital in Lindley. The Fleece, sounds like a simular place. Didnt blow up though.


During a refurbishment a gas cylinder mysteriously exploded when nobody was around and certainly wasn't an insurance fiddle. It's now a car park.
Frazier Cranium

Cutsyke wrote:
Gas leak wasn't it?
Used to drink in there from time to time and the one next door, the name of which escapes me.
My dad had been in a car crash as a young man, ended up in Jimmy's for quite a while. He met a bloke in there who became a firm friend who'd been in a motor bike crash, lost his wife, I believe. At dad's funeral his pal told me that they met on the ward and that at the time they gave them a bottle of Guinness a day. The nurse had been distracted and dad had managed to get out of bed and hide a crate under this bloke's bed. He knew he'd found a kindred spirit.
Later he said dad asked a nurse if she was catholic as he had an inkling that she went to mass every Saturday evening. When she replied that she was he asked her to take him to mass next week. They got the ok from the matron or whatever it was in the 60s and the next Saturday headed out the front door of Jimmy's dad in a wheelchair. This is where dad said right I'll see you back here in an hour and headed to The Florence. After seeing my grandad cry and telling me, correctly, you're not supposed to bury your kids, this cheered everyone up tremendously.


What a lovely story, it's what Reg used to be all about
Late Doors

Yeah lovely, evocative of a different age, nowadays there'd be an internal investigation along with calls for sackings and resignations and a massive compensation claim banged in prompted by ambulance chasing lawyers outside the pub.
Grind

* Likes *
Dock

Frazier Cranium wrote:
Cutsyke wrote:
Gas leak wasn't it?
Used to drink in there from time to time and the one next door, the name of which escapes me.
My dad had been in a car crash as a young man, ended up in Jimmy's for quite a while. He met a bloke in there who became a firm friend who'd been in a motor bike crash, lost his wife, I believe. At dad's funeral his pal told me that they met on the ward and that at the time they gave them a bottle of Guinness a day. The nurse had been distracted and dad had managed to get out of bed and hide a crate under this bloke's bed. He knew he'd found a kindred spirit.
Later he said dad asked a nurse if she was catholic as he had an inkling that she went to mass every Saturday evening. When she replied that she was he asked her to take him to mass next week. They got the ok from the matron or whatever it was in the 60s and the next Saturday headed out the front door of Jimmy's dad in a wheelchair. This is where dad said right I'll see you back here in an hour and headed to The Florence. After seeing my grandad cry and telling me, correctly, you're not supposed to bury your kids, this cheered everyone up tremendously.


What a lovely story, it's what Reg used to be all about


Its a forum I genuinely miss!

PS Great story Cuts! Ta for sharing.
Late Doors

Glenn Tilbrook writes an article on pubs in this months CAMRA mag. His last paragraph reads thus

It always hurts when a pub closes. There was one called the Holland, just off the Mile End road, which shut 12-13 years ago. It had been in the same family for more than a hundred years, had all its original features, did great beer, but they let it go at some point, and it's now gone. That sort of place worms its way into your heart, and you end up thinking about it. I still miss it.

Yeah yeah, he could always go up the Junction but nice to think someone like him thinks the same
Frazier Cranium

No arguing with the Squeeze boys!
Grind

Family Jools?
Dock

Late Doors wrote:
Glenn Tilbrook writes an article on pubs in this months CAMRA mag. His last paragraph reads thus

It always hurts when a pub closes. There was one called the Holland, just off the Mile End road, which shut 12-13 years ago. It had been in the same family for more than a hundred years, had all its original features, did great beer, but they let it go at some point, and it's now gone. That sort of place worms its way into your heart, and you end up thinking about it. I still miss it.

Yeah yeah, he could always go up the Junction but nice to think someone like him thinks the same


C'mon LD, how many pubs do you know these days that have been passed down through generations of the same family? I know it's still a common thing in Ireland but it hasn't been like that for yonks in the UK. How many pubs even have Landlords, let alone full families involved in running them. Times change cocker! For every good Landlord who ran a good pub there would be a purple-nosed workshy people-hating lazy fucker spending too long on the customers side of the bar reading the paper. Lets have some balance in this rose-tinted stroll down memory lane.
Late Doors

'course there were a load of shit pubs of the type you describe that personally I couldn't give a toss about. Some great memories and laughs in for instance the Wellington, Unicorn, Shoehorn, White Hart etc in town but they were shitholes with crap beer and horrible managers but its partly because of all that crap that proper ace pubs stand out. I refute that rose tinted glasses accusation, I'm in no doubt about what was shit and what is better now and am certain I have perspective.

Never been in that pub Tilbrook was on about but it does sound special and if not typical it represents the ethos of great pubs that no longer exist except in the memory.

I've tried to analyse this nostalgia as you call it ('cos you make me think about stuff, cheers) and I think it's about communal spirit disappearing from our lives. It seems to me that there is deliberate social engineering going on that has deliberately removed platforms for people to come together and feel part of something bigger, whether that be Unions or pubs or other things like a national health service. Individualism, personal ambition and an implosion of care towards anything other than one's own family group has been cultivated and marketed incessantly  at us until we have caved in to it over a couple of generations. Pubs are only a tiny element of that
Frazier Cranium

I've never smoked cigs and it is a filthy habit which needed changes to the laws re public consumption etc etc but when they banned it in pubs, it changed a lot of the socialising aspect of pubs as well.  It negatively affected the social atmosphere of places, I always said they should permit non-smoking areas within pubs rather than make them all go outside.  

There's also the fact that the price of beer, wine and spirits in the shops is much lower than ever before compared to pub and bar prices.  People like staying in and getting pissed for much less expense.
Late Doors

Yep, all part of the design.

I wouldn't say they were great pubs but the pack horse, wheatsheaf, brittania and waggon were great pre/post match drinks, as was the viaduct in town but look what happened to them. Now we have a chain pub and Billy's bar.
Dock

Frazier Cranium wrote:
I've never smoked cigs and it is a filthy habit which needed changes to the laws re public consumption etc etc but when they banned it in pubs, it changed a lot of the socialising aspect of pubs as well. It negatively affected the social atmosphere of places, I always said they should permit non-smoking areas within pubs rather than make them all go outside.

There's also the fact that the price of beer, wine and spirits in the shops is much lower than ever before compared to pub and bar prices. People like staying in and getting pissed for much less expense.


I agree about the price of drinking in pubs and bars. There is so much of difference in cost with what the supermarkets charge that me and Mrs D don't miss going out as much. We enjoy eating and drinking at home.

Me:
4 X bottles of good real ale from a supermarket = 6.
4 X pints of real ale in most pubs = approx 16.

Her:
1 X bottle of decentish white wine = 8-9.
3 X large glasses of white wine in a restaurant or pub = approx 20.

Don't get me wrong I like going out, especially around here and in Hull's Old Town district and the 'Avenues' area outside of Hull's city centre but it's just for the novelty. At those prices I'd rather stay in. And it's not like we can't afford it, it's more on principal. Just as with going out on New Years Eve. I haven't bothered since the millennium one because I'm not enough of a mug to pay over a reasonable price for things.

As for LD's thing about society and community, where I live is a great community where people look out for each other and get involved in village life. Be it the annual village beer festival, the Spring village litter pick, the Christmas lights switch on, local sport, and stuff to do with the village school. There always will be community, it might just not take the shape of going down the pub for some people. Maybe it's the location. I've met more friendly people here in just over a year than I did in thirteen years of living in Leeds. I think LD's fears stem from him being allergic to his own house and a constant need to be out n' about all the time being a hedonist n' that. If I never went in another pub it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. As I say I love pubs but I'd get by without them.
Late Doors

I just cant take to drinking in the house mate. Im not saying i dont do it, especially in the garden but two bottles is enough usually and wine bores me except with a steak, pizza or some special fish. I do like a snorter of Malt but i fear i would be embarking on the wrong road if it was anything other than special occasions. Probably stems from growing up, nobody did it in the house. I then lived on my own for twenty years and hardly ever drank at home.

Interesting you bring up supermarket prices. The whole tax system is geared towards making it easier for them to sell it cheaper as well as economies of scale, loss leader management, purchasing freedoms and very clever and subtle marketing. Pubs have no chance to compete especially when up to a third of their income is taxed. I wonder why goverments dont do something about that especially under massive lobbying from CAMRA and other pub friendly consumer groups. Nah, Thatcher shut the lid with her beer laws and successive governments have banged the nails in. Cant have these scum bags congregating in pubs, especially after we've taken away their jobs.

Btw it does sound ace where you live now and bang on about Westies not being that friendly. If i was charitable it put it down to reticence rather than unfriendliness.
Dock

Late Doors wrote:


Didn't you get the Memo Codge?
*Beckons Codge to come hither*
*Cups side of mouth as he looks around, whispers furtively into his ear*

We've agreed to ignore his LU Stuff


Quite right too. You stick with those in the know like these lads. Fine men!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QIdzzRhCZS0
Cutsyke

I miss The Four Ferrets in Castleford. First bar I ever had Becks in. You can keep your fancy craft IPA chocolate stouts, I still like a Becks. First pub I ever did a 24 hour session in. If I ever hit he lottery....
Late Doors

Never been to Cas other than the Rugby, Same with Ponte and Fev and most of them towns round there.

Not a pub but the Coach House Club in Huddersfield was magic for about ten years. Total antithesis of all else that was going on in disco land

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