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Nyles O Cranium

Peaky Blinders

Series based on a true gang of Birmingham just after the First World War, they used to stick razor blades under the peaks of their caps so as to fight with.  There's a lot of really good stuff in it so far, and it's obvious they've spent a few bob on it, with a few minuses like slow-mo violence that looks even less real when filmed that way, and somegreat music which doesn't 'fit' at all.

Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds provide the theme tune I believe, a great track, but throughout there's what I rackon as inappropriate stuff, sounds like one of Jack White's bands.  

Anyway, yeah, it's pretty good... no Sopranos but it's a good effort.
Forest

The brummie accents were already getting on my tits then Benjamin Zephaniah came on screen as a priest spouting poetry as he wandered through a foggy street and I knew I would never watch this again. Ever.

It has a stupid name too.
fartcatcher

Enjoyable in an unremittingly bleak sort of way.

Some of the Brummie accents need attention. Having had the dubious privilege of living there nigh on ten years, I'm pretty good at spotting a fake.

Yow ou kay or keed.
Frazier Cranium

It's set in 1921 int it?  Even the Brummies probably couldn't tell if their accents were authentic or even what each of them was saying
Dock

I have the episodes on the planner except the first one. Will I be able to start from the second? Is the first episode key to getting to know who's who and what's what?
Nyles O Cranium

They always have a reminder 'Last time...' thing at the start, so yes.  It's not brilliant but it's right good.
bearing

Dock wrote:
I have the episodes on the planner except the first one. Will I be able to start from the second? Is the first episode key to getting to know who's who and what's what?


Yow will need to wayel at the Bull Ring.
Grind

Ah, the lovely Bull Ring.

I used to hop on the West Midlands SC bus there to go to games, where the "official" waiting place was at the back of the KFC, which used to pump "aromas" out of a nearby exhaust vent.

* Pukes. *
fartcatcher

They have rebuilt the Bullring but it still stinks of piss.
Grind

Birmingham New New Street?
bearing

I've not seen the New New Street yet, supposed to be pretty good. Hopefully they've flattened the Pallasades.
Dock

Watched the second episode last night. Big thumbs up in Dock Towers. It looks like they spent a few bob on it. Somehow the old scenes mix well with the modern music played over the top, especially the Nick Cave songs. Can't work out if Cillian Murphy is doing the worst Brum accent ever or if its meant to be an Irish/Brum cross. That set of the street they live on and the pub interiors are excellent. We liked it that much we were tempted to put on another episode but I knew I'd fall asleep halfway through it. Great parting line from Tommy Shelby to his brother after the big meeting with the bookie Billy Kimber "Get your haircut, we're off to the races". Hmm, a bookie with a stranglehold on all the racecourses in England involved in shady dealings and race fixing. Funny how some things never change.
 
Looking forward to the rest of it.
Frazier Cranium

Nick Cave music is so good and possibly unheard of (by BBC viewers ) that yeah it works, but it's the other music that pisses me off. I could have excused the makers if they'd picked Midlands heavy rock but 0 unless I'm wrong which is entirely possible - it's Jack White in one of his incarnations.  And I like him but it doesn't fit.

To be fair re the accents, the worst I think is the momma Peaky Blinder, I don't mind CM's
bearing

Can't find it on iPlayer.
Dock

bearing wrote:
Can't find it on iPlayer.


Fuckinexpectmetodoaboutit?
Nyles O Cranium

You missed off 'gobshite' there, Dock

Or gobshoite to be more accurate.
bearing

Dock wrote:
bearing wrote:
Can't find it on iPlayer.


Fuckinexpectmetodoaboutit?


Fucking look for me you git!
Dock

bearing wrote:
Dock wrote:
bearing wrote:
Can't find it on iPlayer.


Fuckinexpectmetodoaboutit?


Fucking look for me you git!


*looks*
bearing

Dock wrote:
bearing wrote:
Dock wrote:
bearing wrote:
Can't find it on iPlayer.


Fuckinexpectmetodoaboutit?


Fucking look for me you git!


*looks*


Well?

*drums fingers*
Dock

bearing wrote:
Dock wrote:
bearing wrote:
Dock wrote:
bearing wrote:
Can't find it on iPlayer.


Fuckinexpectmetodoaboutit?


Fucking look for me you git!


*looks*


Well?

*drums fingers*


I'm having some of my people look into it.
Frazier Cranium

Hobbits and pretend friends are not real peole, Dock.
bearing

Frazier Cranium wrote:
Hobbits and pretend friends are not real peole, Dock.


Are you suggesting he hasn't got anyone looking for me?
Nyles O Cranium

I would never suggest such a thing.  I would though state it as fact.  And talking of 'friends' Bearing, I pm'd you on Fb and had no reply.  Shit like that hurts man, it hurts.
Dock

Frazier Cranium wrote:
Hobbits and pretend friends are not real peole, Dock.


Er, oh ok. Then nobody is looking into it then.
Nyles O Cranium

* worries might have offended members of the Shire *
bearing

Nyles O Cranium wrote:
I would never suggest such a thing.  I would though state it as fact.  And talking of 'friends' Bearing, I pm'd you on Fb and had no reply.  Shit like that hurts man, it hurts.


Did you, when?

I'll have a look now.

Dock wrote:
Frazier Cranium wrote:
Hobbits and pretend friends are not real peole, Dock.


Er, oh ok. Then nobody is looking into it then.


Git!
bearing

Have checked FB messages and the last conv between us by PM was in June.
Nyles O Cranium

bearing wrote:
Have checked FB messages and the last conv between us by PM was in June.


     

Apologies, I believed I'd copied you in the same message to Mick H on Sunday afternoon, I was asking if you would mind looking at the few lines I wrote about Brum, the station especially, of 1984 as I didn't want to offend the whole city    The message definitely went to Mick but clearly not to yourself, sorry.
bearing

Nyles O Cranium wrote:
bearing wrote:
Have checked FB messages and the last conv between us by PM was in June.


     

Apologies, I believed I'd copied you in the same message to Mick H on Sunday afternoon, I was asking if you would mind looking at the few lines I wrote about Brum, the station especially, of 1984 as I didn't want to offend the whole city    The message definitely went to Mick but clearly not to yourself, sorry.


 
Dock

New series next week. Ace! That is all.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04kkm8q
Grind

For a while, I used to get picked up to go to Leeds matches in a lay-by at the back of the Bullring.

It was next to the outlet exhaust from a KFC and, to this day, I feel nauseous thinking about it.

* Charges a tenner. *
bearing

Grind wrote:
For a while, I used to get picked up to go to Leeds matches in a lay-by at the back of the Bullring.

It was next to the outlet exhaust from a KFC and, to this day, I feel nauseous thinking about it.

* Charges a tenner. *


FFS, you've already told us this tale on page 1 but in that one you were waiting for the bus.

You sure it wasn't the back o' Rackhams you were hanging about?
Grind

bearing wrote:
Grind wrote:
For a while, I used to get picked up to go to Leeds matches in a lay-by at the back of the Bullring.

It was next to the outlet exhaust from a KFC and, to this day, I feel nauseous thinking about it.

* Charges a tenner. *


FFS, you've already told us this tale on page 1 but in that one you were waiting for the bus.

You sure it wasn't the back o' Rackhams you were hanging about?


Have I ever told you about where I used to get picked up in Birmingham?

* If people posted more than once a fecking fortnight, I might even remember where that bus used to stop. *

** Fuck off Bearing. **  
Grind

What I didn't tell you is that I was too cheap to take either the bus or (more logically) the train into town from Selly Oak, instead preferring to ride in on an old push bike I found in a dumpster while looking for parts to build an extremely dodgy laboratory oven and duly "fixed" although it would never have won the Tour de France.

Well, not without taking an awful lot of drugs.

I used to ride it to the back of that Bull Ring place, you know.
Grind

Cycling home on the Bristol Road after a night match was always rather too exciting.

A bit of a game of chicken, although not of the KFC variety - which was where I used to get picked up for Leeds matches.

And dropped off, obviously.

I could expound further, if anyone will buy me a three piece white meat deal.
Plastic Man

bearing wrote:
You sure it wasn't the back o' Rackhams you were hanging about?


Gentlemen - next time we convene, remind me to recount the story of "cheque-book-Chu" (as he was ever-known thereafter) and his visit to the back of Rackhams.
bearing

Plastic Man wrote:
bearing wrote:
You sure it wasn't the back o' Rackhams you were hanging about?


Gentlemen - next time we convene, remind me to recount the story of "cheque-book-Chu" (as he was ever-known thereafter) and his visit to the back of Rackhams.


Did he have a dalliance with Grind?
Plastic Man

bearing wrote:
Did he have a dalliance with Grind?


He could well have done at some time.

But Grind doesn't feature in the "cheque-book-Chu" situation.
Grind

Plastic Man wrote:
bearing wrote:
Did he have a dalliance with Grind?


He could well have done at some time.

But Grind doesn't feature in the "cheque-book-Chu" situation.


I'm more of a cash or pro bono man.
Grind

And obviously not the twat who fronts U2 and has somehow invaded my iTunes account.
bearing

Plastic Man wrote:
bearing wrote:
Did he have a dalliance with Grind?


He could well have done at some time.

But Grind doesn't feature in the "cheque-book-Chu" situation.


We could always shoe his name in somewhere.
Grind

bearing wrote:
Plastic Man wrote:
bearing wrote:
Did he have a dalliance with Grind?


He could well have done at some time.

But Grind doesn't feature in the "cheque-book-Chu" situation.


We could always shoe his name in somewhere.


I do like chou buns laced with chocolate.
Cutsyke

It's a good show, I like it, watched first series over past two days and first one of the second series today on iplayer. It works if you don't look at it with a too critical eye and it is cinematically (can you say that about something made for TV? TVmatically) stunning. Agree about the music Nick Cave yes, yes, yes, the rsst hmmm.

Surprised none of you mentioned how much of it is filmed in and around Leeds.  

Murphy I have nothing but respect for him after seeing him at a Pogues after show party in New York a few years back.

I'm not easily impressed by TV but his one I enjoy.
Dock

Cutsyke wrote:
It's a good show, I like it, watched first series over past two days and first one of the second series today on iplayer. It works if you don't look at it with a too critical eye and it is cinematically (can you say that about something made for TV? TVmatically) stunning. Agree about the music Nick Cave yes, yes, yes, the rsst hmmm.

Surprised none of you mentioned how much of it is filmed in and around Leeds.  

Murphy I have nothing but respect for him after seeing him at a Pogues after show party in New York a few years back.

I'm not easily impressed by TV but his one I enjoy.


After show parties is it? New York is it? Nick's Cave is it? All I’m saying lad is if you’re not back in by ten tonight that door will be LOCKED! And don’t think I don’t know who’s cigarettes they were that I found in your sock drawer. I don’t know where we went wrong with you. I really don’t.
Frazier Cranium

Rant about the music again

Nick Cave's tune being used as the theme tune for Peaky Blinders actually works for me, it's memorable but a bit weird and it doesn't feel like a modern tune.

I'm still not too comfortable with metal and rock being used during certain scenes, and I thought the makers' decision to feature a Johnny Cash tune was just plain crap and inappropriate.

I realise I am in a minority about caring about this sort of stuff but so what, it spoils a bloody good drama series and that is just a pointless waste imho.
Dock

Frazier Cranium wrote:
Rant about the music again

Nick Cave's tune being used as the theme tune for Peaky Blinders actually works for me, it's memorable but a bit weird and it doesn't feel like a modern tune.

I'm still not too comfortable with metal and rock being used during certain scenes, and I thought the makers' decision to feature a Johnny Cash tune was just plain crap and inappropriate.

I realise I am in a minority about caring about this sort of stuff but so what, it spoils a bloody good drama series and that is just a pointless waste imho.


Still got to start this series. But I'd say you are not in a minority Codge when it comes to caring about the serious matter of aligning music and film. Both art forms are a sum of their parts when placed together. All the great films and programmes of the smaller and bigger t'silver screen have their quality marked by great scores or songs. I'm looking forward to seeing and hearing these strange mixes you describe.
Late Doors

Must get round to watching this, maybe after ive finished the Wire and then the Sopranos and then.....

agree re matching music with the form, its fecking crucial and getting it wrong winds me up massive
Frazier Cranium

I have been told so many times that it doesn't matter and that I'm overreacting about this subject... my answer was quite short and relatively polite: 'but Johnny Cash?  JOHNNY CASH!!!'

It's not a bad series, it ain't ace but again that might only be me saying it.  Tom Hardy is actually quite embarrassing too.  But the music, the Cash fiasco (for me) is the thing I will remember most and that isn't right, the dicks.
Grind

Similarly, they're made some questionable musical choices in the latest American Horror (Freak Show) series (supposedly set in 1952) although I personally think the songs work quite well.

Those I've spotted and identified are Bowie (Life on Mars), Fiona Apple (dunno the song's name) and Lana del Rey (Gods and Monsters).

Sons of Anarchy also seem to do a pretty good job in matching music to mood at the end of each episode.
Frazier Cranium

'the elephant in the room'

Get fucked
Dock

Watched the first episode of the new series last night. Seriously good drama. It looks like they have had a budget increase for the making of it. Some of the scenes were like something out of a film. Especially the nightclub in London. I love Tommy's psycho brother. Totally believable. And the suits are fucking ace. It's a good look.

Frazier Cranium

The brother gets to be a real bore, imho

Enjoyed it all but will never find it within myself to forgive the Johnny Cash and the elephant incidences.
Dock

Frazier Cranium wrote:
The brother gets to be a real bore, imho

Enjoyed it all but will never find it within myself to forgive the Johnny Cash and the elephant incidences.


I've heard that the Johnny Cash and elephant link has been galvanised to the point of a rewrite of the song 'I Walk the Line' to ' I Eat the Bun'.
Dock

I'm off to Haydock next Saturday. Important meeting re: barometer for Cheltenham Festival form next March and I will be replete in my natty flat cap and will probably choose to wear a button-down collar on the day, so all I'll need for the full package is the Brummy accent.

*phones Bearing for some phonetic tips*
Cutsyke

Enjoyed it. I'm not one to be able to just go with the flow and take a show for what it is but I've continued to watch and enjoy Peaky Blinders. Actually starting to think the music works. I can imagine some dumb hipster ted tying to carry the Blinder look before too long. The lad who plays the Jewish mob boss, he's good, got a presence, shades of Christen Bale in the Prestige? Sam Neil steals it though.
Dock

Cutsyke wrote:
Enjoyed it. I'm not one to be able to just go with the flow and take a show for what it is but I've continued to watch and enjoy Peaky Blinders. Actually starting to think the music works. I can imagine some dumb hipster ted tying to carry the Blinder look before too long. The lad who plays the Jewish mob boss, he's good, got a presence, shades of Christen Bale in the Prestige? Sam Neil steals it though.


Must admit even though I can see Codge's point of view re: music I'm two episodes into this series and I quite like the modern tunes juxtaposed with the periodic setting. I'm a right splitter me.
Frazier Cranium

Just my opinion, take it or leave it.

Yes you are a splitter though.  

Johnny Cash songs do not fit an episode of Peaky Blinders in any way
Plastic Man

Cutsyke wrote:
I can imagine some dumb hipster ted tying to carry the Blinder look before too long.


You mean like these hipster Birmingham City fans?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-29179616
Quote:
Dozens of supporters donned flat caps for the game against Leeds United in homage to the BBC drama which is set in Birmingham during the interwar years.

Andy Walker, from Birmingham City, said supporters have already travelled in character "en-masse" to several away fixtures.

"We were keen to replicate the same at St. Andrew's," he said.


Cutsyke wrote:
The lad who plays the Jewish mob boss, he's good, got a presence


Bang on, Sir! He certainly struck me as a more plausible gangster-type character from the 1920s than the Italians who were overly caricatured as Godfather-wanabees.
Cutsyke

Dear God. 2/10 for effort.
Dock

We have watched four episodes of the six. I wish there was twenty of them. I havent enjoyed anything on telly as much in ages. To add to what the other Reggies have already said. Tom Hardy as the Jewish gangster Alfie Solomons is fucking brilliant. He has the London-Jewish accent nailed down. He scares me more than any other character in it. As charming and humorous maniacs go he's the toppermost-poppermost if you ask me..............I know you won't.

Frazier Cranium

That great an actor wouldn't have let 'the elephant in the room' comment anywhere near his fecking role though.
Dock

Frazier Cranium wrote:
That great an actor wouldn't have let 'the elephant in the room' comment anywhere near his fecking role though.


You spotted it as well then Codge. Me and Mrs D wondered if that turn of phrase was around in that era. But to defend the lad he is only reading somebody else's script. Maybe the phrase has been around for ages?

I loved all the footage of what was supposed to be Doncaster horse sales. And they have stayed true to story because the beautiful grey on the programme is defo a thoroughbred. You can tell with just one look at it. I love it that he wants his first horse to be trained to win The Derby. Yeah no problem Tommy. Dead easy that, piece of piss. One of the most demanding and aggressively-ridden physically draining flat races in the world? No probs bud, how hard can it be. You've got to love The Shelby lads!
Frazier Cranium

Not that it's important but I disagree, Tom Hardy is a real 'name' these days and I believe he has a lot of sway in these matters.  That comment jumps out at you like a sore er elephant, it's that shit and the fact that it's been such a great Brit series it makes it even worse for me.  That and fcking Johnny Cash of course  

And I mentioned the elephant on here ages ago, you ignorant bar steward

Watched 'Lawless' recently, with Hardy in that as well as, in a lesser role, the Italian (?) gangster leader from Peakys.  Good film, not brilliant but pretty damn decent imho.
Plastic Man

Frazier Cranium wrote:
Not that it's important but I disagree, Tom Hardy is a real 'name' these days and I believe he has a lot of sway in these matters.  That comment jumps out at you like a sore er elephant, it's that shit and the fact that it's been such a great Brit series it makes it even worse for me.  That and fcking Johnny Cash of course  


Surprisingly, the use of the phrase may not be non-contemporaneous with the drama as one might assume. Mr Wiki advises:

The Oxford English Dictionary gives the first recorded use of the phrase, as a simile, as The New York Times on June 20, 1959: "Financing schools has become a problem about equal to having an elephant in the living room. It's so big you just can't ignore it."

This idiomatic expression may have been in general use much earlier than 1959. For example, the phrase appears 44 years earlier in the pages of a British journal in 1915. The sentence was presented as a trivial illustration of a question British schoolboys would be able to answer, e.g., "Is there an elephant in the class-room?"

Personally I don't have any cause for upset when the music used to add pathos to a drama was written after the era being portrayed.

That would be akin to complaining if Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture" was used to accompany a dramatisation of Russia's defence against Napoleon's invading Grande Armée, because it was written in 1880.
Dock

Frazier Cranium wrote:
Not that it's important but I disagree, Tom Hardy is a real 'name' these days and I believe he has a lot of sway in these matters.  That comment jumps out at you like a sore er elephant, it's that shit and the fact that it's been such a great Brit series it makes it even worse for me.  That and fcking Johnny Cash of course  

And I mentioned the elephant on here ages ago, you ignorant bar steward

Watched 'Lawless' recently, with Hardy in that as well as, in a lesser role, the Italian (?) gangster leader from Peakys.  Good film, not brilliant but pretty damn decent imho.


But in my defence I didn't get the reference because I've only just watched the episode.

Got Lawless still to watch on the planner.
Grind

That was a long war and no mistake.
Dock

Plastic Man wrote:
Frazier Cranium wrote:
Not that it's important but I disagree, Tom Hardy is a real 'name' these days and I believe he has a lot of sway in these matters.  That comment jumps out at you like a sore er elephant, it's that shit and the fact that it's been such a great Brit series it makes it even worse for me.  That and fcking Johnny Cash of course  


Surprisingly, the use of the phrase may not be non-contemporaneous with the drama as one might assume. Mr Wiki advises:

The Oxford English Dictionary gives the first recorded use of the phrase, as a simile, as The New York Times on June 20, 1959: "Financing schools has become a problem about equal to having an elephant in the living room. It's so big you just can't ignore it."

This idiomatic expression may have been in general use much earlier than 1959. For example, the phrase appears 44 years earlier in the pages of a British journal in 1915. The sentence was presented as a trivial illustration of a question British schoolboys would be able to answer, e.g., "Is there an elephant in the class-room?"

Personally I don't have any cause for upset when the music used to add pathos to a drama was written after the era being portrayed.

That would be akin to complaining if Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture" was used to accompany a dramatisation of Russia's defence against Napoleon's invading Grande Armée, because it was written in 1880.


Good work PM. You always bring a ladle full of common sense and add it to me and Codge's perpetual stew of pedantic nitwittery. I also agree with you on the music. It really works for me.
Frazier Cranium

Excellent research.  Doesn't matter to me, there's as much chance of me being in Hollywood elite as there is that elephant comment was made in London gangland then.

And classical music works for just about any genre film, I would proffer, but Johnny bloody 1960s Cash music does not work in a 1920s-set British drama about Brummies, it jarred so much with me, as you can see.
Dock

Frazier Cranium wrote:
Excellent research.  Doesn't matter to me, there's as much chance of me being in Hollywood elite as there is that elephant comment was made in London gangland then.

And classical music works for just about any genre film, I would proffer, but Johnny bloody 1960s Cash music does not work in a 1920s-set British drama about Brummies, it jarred so much with me, as you can see.


You're being churlish now. Stop it! *tries to add laughing emoticon*

One more episode to go. Watching it tonight. The Sam Neill character is the one that has really developed in the last few episodes. I knew he was a conniving fuckpig from episode 1 series 1, but the man's not all the ticket if you ask me.......................I know you won't.
Frazier Cranium

Fuck off with your churlish, it would be churlish not to mention it and then not have to argue with plebs like yow!
Frazier Cranium

* thinks about looking 'churlish' uo, can't be arsed *
Grind

Frazier Cranium wrote:
* thinks about looking 'churlish' uo, can't be arsed *


That's what churlish means.
Grind

Or perhaps anti-churlish?
Grind

More curdled than churlish?
Dock

Churlish, chirpy chirpy cheep cheep!
Grind

* Pretends he's not old enough to remember the original *
Plastic Man

Series 2. Now up to episode 2. Even topper-notcher drama.
bearing

Grind wrote:
* Pretends he's not old enough to remember the original *
Guess what was number 1 the day I was born!  

Anyway, I like the Peaky Blinders but then you lot pigeon hole me as a Brummie so it'd go without saying really. And I find the music to be a pretty good juxtaposition.
smiling badger

Not digging it as much as the last series. Early days i know. Yeah, some of the music is good, love a bit of PJ Harvey.
bearing

smiling badger wrote:
love a bit of PJ Harvey.


Wouldn't we all!
Heyho

Just finished off the 3 series.

Very good rather than Sopranos outstanding I would say.

Loved the Tom Hardy 'Alfie Solomans' character

Look forward to Season 4

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