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Mr Benn

Not coming out from behind the curtain this time.  

I can't say I always agreed with him, but he was undeniably someone worth having in Parliament.
Frazier Cranium

A great politican, a sad loss.
Plastic Man

He could be overly strident in his views, but I think he genuinely acted in what he believed was in the common good.

Somewhat surprisingly, I've come across two people (or perhaps it was one person in two formats!), who after paying some general lip service, stuck the boot in.

Rather unusual behaviour, considering it was just following the passing of an elderly, long-standing politician. Even long-established enemies usually know it is wiser to say nothing at such times.
Late Doors

Two things that the right throw out routinely that I always find curious One is the so called impracticality and utopian delusion that the left hold as if their views of state free jungle tooth n claw capitalism isn't. The other is the so called hypocrisy of someone who isn't poor having socialist views. Y'know the type. "If your such a socialist why don't you give all your money to a heroin addict and live under a bush by the canal, that capitalism built for you" types.  Tony Benn had all that and ploughed through it with class, sense, resonance, empathy and humanity. I wouldn't say I hung on his every word but he was one of those people, and there are a few others of all persuasions who when they talk I listen, intensely. His views on employment, health care and education are simply, to me, perfect. Didn't agree with him on Nuclear energy when he had a reversal of opinion from pro to anti as I think it is the only viable, worthwhile sustainable option to the planet. Cliché klaxon but the world is a poorer place without him.
grunt

What about the nuclear waste LD. There's probably thousands of tons of it that we still don't know what do to with. I cannot believe, with all the natural resources at our disposal, that there's no better alternative(s). Vested interests are the only thing that's stopping their development.
Plastic Man

grunt wrote:
What about the nuclear waste LD. There's probably thousands of tons of it that we still don't know what do to with. I cannot believe, with all the natural resources at our disposal, that there's no better alternative(s). Vested interests are the only thing that's stopping their development.


Ruddy heck. It's a miracle. Tony Benn has risen from the dead.
grunt

*renounces peerage*
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

a gentle sweet man in his later years with whom I shared a love of tea and non-interventionism

but while he was active he did a great deal of harm in both the policies he implemented and the causes he espoused. He was responsible for splitting the left and boosting the Liberals and SDP to keep Maggie in - if I were a genuine leftist I wouldve suspected him of being an establishment 'asset'/double agent

he was a man of contradictions - he was prepared to subsidise mining forever but when Secretary of State for Industry in the 1970s my grandfather went to meet him in Whitehall as he was President of the Wool Trade Federation to appeal for government intervention, subsidy and tax breaks to help protect manufacturing and jobs in the North of England. Benn did not even give a sympathetic audience, constantly looking at his watch and then ranting on about new technology and higher wages. In opposition and for the heavily unionised miners it was a different story.

he was against inherited privilege and titles but in the form of his sons and grandchildren (granddaughter narrowly missed being elected MP last time round) there is building a nice little Benn dynasty. Also, whilst down with the workers he never did give up his manison in Hampstead and all his wealth did he?

an extraordinary character and intellectual but if he'd won leadership of his party and three general elections I could easily imagine him being viewed with revulsion by the majority
Late Doors

grunt wrote:
What about the nuclear waste LD. There's probably thousands of tons of it that we still don't know what do to with. I cannot believe, with all the natural resources at our disposal, that there's no better alternative(s). Vested interests are the only thing that's stopping their development.


Ahh you and yer crucially pertinent questions   . If i knew that I'd be a very very satisfied engineer and immensely rich. That is indeed the question.

Every energy extraction and conversion has its waste and emissions. Nuclear energy is very high stakes, massive results, massive risks. We broached the issue of alternative energy in that other thread and i totally agree about the vested interests in existing energy sources preventing or at least making it difficult for alternative sources to be fully exploited. Solar, wave, wind, sea weed, anything. It only takes imagination, science and funding. All those so called renewable sources are open to negative consequences though, most of which we can't imagine yet. As an off the wall question as an example what's gonna happen  when we start pinching energy from the sun? Something on earth is relying on that energy in some way and if its deprived of it it all sorts of ecological chain reactions could occur. Maybe a bonkers irrational fear but that's what they might have said said about diesel fears and asbestos.

I have faith in science, people and democracy, more than i have in unrestrained capitalism anyway. Nuclear and "renewable" combined is the way. It's that same faith that makes me think we can find a way to manage nuclear waste. Burying it in the sea is moronic, as is simply firing it into space. We have to break it, render it as harmless as possible and secure it. Somewhere. People, Imagination and Science will find a way.  funding will come through necessity but i just fear that will be realised too late.
fartcatcher

I admired Benn because he had principles. I've I'd inherited as much money as him I'd have been a rabid Tory.
carp

He called the Common Market spot on.
bearing

Late Doors wrote:
grunt wrote:
What about the nuclear waste LD. There's probably thousands of tons of it that we still don't know what do to with. I cannot believe, with all the natural resources at our disposal, that there's no better alternative(s). Vested interests are the only thing that's stopping their development.


Ahh you and yer crucially pertinent questions   . If i knew that I'd be a very very satisfied engineer and immensely rich. That is indeed the question.

Every energy extraction and conversion has its waste and emissions. Nuclear energy is very high stakes, massive results, massive risks. We broached the issue of alternative energy in that other thread and i totally agree about the vested interests in existing energy sources preventing or at least making it difficult for alternative sources to be fully exploited. Solar, wave, wind, sea weed, anything. It only takes imagination, science and funding. All those so called renewable sources are open to negative consequences though, most of which we can't imagine yet. As an off the wall question as an example what's gonna happen  when we start pinching energy from the sun? Something on earth is relying on that energy in some way and if its deprived of it it all sorts of ecological chain reactions could occur. Maybe a bonkers irrational fear but that's what they might have said said about diesel fears and asbestos.

I have faith in science, people and democracy, more than i have in unrestrained capitalism anyway. Nuclear and "renewable" combined is the way. It's that same faith that makes me think we can find a way to manage nuclear waste. Burying it in the sea is moronic, as is simply firing it into space. We have to break it, render it as harmless as possible and secure it. Somewhere. People, Imagination and Science will find a way.  funding will come through necessity but i just fear that will be realised too late.


Thorium is the answer, much cleaner than Uranium and with the added bonus that existing waste can be chucked into the mix and be disposed of completely. The other beauty of it is that it can't run away as once the photon beam is disrupted to it then fission stops.
Grind

Fission is for people who don't know any better.

Fusion is where it's at. Or at least will be.
bearing

Grind wrote:
Fission is for people who don't know any better.

Fusion is where it's at. Or at least will be.


Of course fusion is the place to be but that's a while off and our best bet in the near term is to kick uranium into touch and use thorium instead.

The other bonus of thorium is that it's not so easy to create weapons from it...



Yet!
fartcatcher

I've got a Ford Fusion  It's a fusion between a Transit and a Fiesta.
Grind

fartcatcher wrote:
I've got a Ford Fusion  It's a fusion between a Transit and a Fiesta.


You could use it to deliver porn to the masses.

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