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Heyho

Manchester - the city

Was over in Manchester on Friday (part of the give an take that is called marriage - I had to endure Robbie Williams at the Etihad)

Anyway given the tragic events you seem more perceptive of things around you and I came away from Manchester thinking what the fuck is going on in Leeds. We are years behind them in terms of transport. That tram system is ace - even goes out to the likes of Rochdale now which is about the distance form Leeds to Cas I reckon.

I love my home town of Leeds but it is so second class to large areas of Manchester. It pains me to say it. How did they manage to fund the tram by the way?
sheeps

Manchester also has us beat for the number of beggars.

Spot on with the transport thing but as far as the City centre is concerned I don't reckon it as nice/good as t' Leeds.
Heyho

sheeps wrote:
Manchester also has us beat for the number of beggars.

Spot on with the transport thing but as far as the City centre is concerned I don't reckon it as nice/good as t' Leeds.


Totally agree with you on the beggars. Couldn't believe it and Mrs H and I remarked on it. One street had a beggar in each door way and we counter 8 in one larger shop entrance. Just sleeping in the middle of the paths in the middle of the day.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

I lived in Manchester for four years in the 199os - its just a much much much bigger city - its also had billions of London and EU money to upgrade

I know its a bit off but the IRA did it a massive favour by bombing it in 1996 - allowed vast parts of centre to rebuilt with insurance money
fartcatcher

It still has plenty of shithole bits. It's a bit like Birmingham. A lot of money has been spent on the city centre, but an almost complete ring of desolation surrounds it.

And then there's Bury.
Dock

fartcatcher wrote:
It still has plenty of shithole bits. It's a bit like Birmingham. A lot of money has been spent on the city centre, but an almost complete ring of desolation surrounds it.

And then there's Bury.


I'd say the same about Leeds. People visit and say "ooh isn't the shopping great" and "there are loads of bars" but for anybody who lives there and knows it well they have to admit that a lot of Leeds is dead rough and getting rougher once you are outside of the city centre (one of the reasons we got out and chose the quieter country life). But then I suppose like all big provincial towns and cities that have had their manufacturing and core industry hearts ripped out, there is an unknowing of the future which affects people. The heavy engineering, the mines, and around my adopted neck of the woods the fishing industry. All gone but never replaced with anything for the people that live there.

Back on track: I love Manchester. The record shops, the clothes shops, and the pubs. As soon as I hit the platform at Piccadilly I get a good vibe from it. I've only briefly been to Glasgow but I think that Pontefract, Manchester, Edinburgh, and Newcastle are the most impressive cities in Northern Britain.
sheeps

Dock wrote:
fartcatcher wrote:
It still has plenty of shithole bits. It's a bit like Birmingham. A lot of money has been spent on the city centre, but an almost complete ring of desolation surrounds it.

And then there's Bury.


I'd say the same about Leeds. People visit and say "ooh isn't the shopping great" and "there are loads of bars" but for anybody who lives there and knows it well they have to admit that a lot of Leeds is dead rough and getting rougher once you are outside of the city centre (one of the reasons we got out and chose the quieter country life). But then I suppose like all big provincial towns and cities that have had their manufacturing and core industry hearts ripped out, there is an unknowing of the future which affects people. The heavy engineering, the mines, and around my adopted neck of the woods the fishing industry. All gone but never replaced with anything for the people that live there.

Back on track: I love Manchester. The record shops, the clothes shops, and the pubs. As soon as I hit the platform at Piccadilly I get a good vibe from it. I've only briefly been to Glasgow but I think that Pontefract, Manchester, Edinburgh, and Newcastle are the most impressive cities in Northern Britain.


Have to agree with all four of your choices and throw in Liverpool, love the dock's and the majestic Mersey.
Heyho

Can't fault Liverpool, except for the Scousers.
Late Doors

Evers since I was old enough to travel on my own I've taken the train to both Manchester and Leeds on a regular basis. As a fourteen year old kid right up to mid twenties I would like Dock get excited and slightly shake at the excitement of a Manchester visit on the train. The train used to pull into Victoria and walk up to the city well before it changed to Piccadilly and that added to the excitement. Victoria was and still is a slightly imposing station

I must say that in the Seventies and early Eighties Manchester had the edge but, like Leeds both have had the guts torn out of them. The thing is for me, Manchester has replaced them with a phoniness that has left the city a bit of an uncoordinated mess and an invented Manc identity that doesn't really exist outside the media's  pretend world and a few dick heads that believe it of themselves. Big parts of the centre are complete shit holes with utterly zonked out  sad cases hopelessly hanging around as already mentioned. Smart shops are cocooned away and the revitalised Northern Quarter has become a con. Don't get me wrong there are still loads of great things about the place but Leeds now has the edge as far as I am concerned and I'm talking in city centre only terms here. Leeds has changed into a mega smart coordinated retail, entertainment, leisure wining and dining paradise and is also a commercial power house with lots of independent trade. It's got it just right for me and never fails for a great day/night out. Someone in Leeds city council has got it spot on whereas Manchester's seem to have lost the plot a little. Just my observation as someone who has visited both on a regular basis for forty odd years now. Neither are a patch on Huddersfield though

Also wtf is this thread doing in this section??? its fecking anarchy in here these days
Young Marxist at Tescos

Bloody love Manchester me.  Great place for a day out...but the homeless thing....

Went on the train from Wakefield to Leeds, then Leeds to Manchester in April.  

The "step-up" in terms of homeless people on the streets was staggering.  About 3 in Wakefield, 20ish in Leeds, and I'm glad I didn't have to count in Manchester.  Desperate to see.
Heyho

Young Marxist at Tescos wrote:
Bloody love Manchester me.  Great place for a day out...but the homeless thing....

Went on the train from Wakefield to Leeds, then Leeds to Manchester in April.  

The "step-up" in terms of homeless people on the streets was staggering.  About 3 in Wakefield, 20ish in Leeds, and I'm glad I didn't have to count in Manchester.  Desperate to see.


I was there again the other day - different area. Same thing. A homeless person in every door way

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