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Mick McCann

Krakow

Me and Mrs Mick had a lovely few days in Krakow a while ago and here are some photis of the city.

Not sure what attracted me to the shoe shop at the end. Great place to spend a few days.

We also went to Auschwitz and Birkenau but dint really feel like taking photos of that.

















Pond Life

Great great pics Mick. Nce one , tanks.
sheeps

Nice one.

Is that Mrs. Mick doing 'I'm a little tea pot' in the courtyard?
bearing

Nice one.
Plastic Man

Did you fly from Leeds?

Any recommendations on places to visit, eat and sleep in?

Eddie is trying to organise what should principally be a gentlemens' weekend away in Poland. While lady-friends and off-spring may be also included, he doesn't want Magda transforming this into some glorified shopping campaign.

Any tips are welcome.
Mick McCann

Yes, flew from L&B.

Eat one of these, the name of the restaurant is written in chocolate.

I'll give a more detailed answer tomorrow.

Mick McCann

sheeps wrote:
Nice one.

Is that Mrs. Mick doing 'I'm a little tea pot' in the courtyard?


No, that's a tourist.
Forest

Papa Jo wrote:
sheeps wrote:
Nice one.

Is that Mrs. Mick doing 'I'm a little tea pot' in the courtyard?


No, that's a tourist.


I thought it was Emma Peel from the Avengers
bearing

Forest wrote:
Papa Jo wrote:
sheeps wrote:
Nice one.

Is that Mrs. Mick doing 'I'm a little tea pot' in the courtyard?


No, that's a tourist.


I thought it was Emma Peel from the Avengers


I'm spotting something here Forest, you like Emma Peel don't you?
Forest

bearing wrote:
Forest wrote:
Papa Jo wrote:
sheeps wrote:
Nice one.

Is that Mrs. Mick doing 'I'm a little tea pot' in the courtyard?


No, that's a tourist.


I thought it was Emma Peel from the Avengers


I'm spotting something here Forest, you like Emma Peel don't you?


Look at the photo its her I tell you  
bearing

Forest wrote:
bearing wrote:
Forest wrote:
Papa Jo wrote:
sheeps wrote:
Nice one.

Is that Mrs. Mick doing 'I'm a little tea pot' in the courtyard?


No, that's a tourist.


I thought it was Emma Peel from the Avengers


I'm spotting something here Forest, you like Emma Peel don't you?


Look at the photo its her I tell you  


Too much timber for Emma Peel, I think you're starting to hallucinate.  
Forest

bearing wrote:
Forest wrote:
bearing wrote:
Forest wrote:
Papa Jo wrote:
sheeps wrote:
Nice one.

Is that Mrs. Mick doing 'I'm a little tea pot' in the courtyard?


No, that's a tourist.


I thought it was Emma Peel from the Avengers


I'm spotting something here Forest, you like Emma Peel don't you?


Look at the photo its her I tell you  


Too much timber for Emma Peel, I think you're starting to hallucinate.  


Well she might have let herself go a bit, it has been bleedin years.
All credit to her for wearing that catsuit at her age

*think i got away without anybody knowing about the Emma Peel obsession*

*kisses poster of Emma*( the one with the photo of me stuck over Steeds head)
Dock

Krakow, ace place. I did as the McCann's did, and visited Auschwitz, very sobering place. Krakow is a beautiful city, cheap good food (2 courses, a decent bottle of house red, in a good restaurant, under £10) Nice people, good beer. Wouldn't recommend for a lads do, apparently Warsaw is the place for shenannigans.
Mick McCann

Plastic Man wrote:
Did you fly from Leeds?

Any recommendations on places to visit, eat and sleep in?

Any tips are welcome.


Plastic Man soz for the dealy, I've been trying to locate the book to work out where we ate.

As Hadd said, good prices in restaurants, don't know if you're fussed but the bottle of wine (although not over priced) was half the price of a meal for two.

The name of one place is in that pudding above, very nice vaulted cellar, good food, I had a very nice wild boar with some sort of pickled mushies. It's in the jewish quarter.

The other one that I liked was something like the Orient Express off the main square (the biggest in europe) right hand side if your....... oh fuck it, wait a minute. Here you go:

http://www.orient-ekspres.krakow.pl/en/orient_ekspres/

Great place, nice and relaxed one of the few places you'll get a smile, good food etc.

Do the Wawel Royal Castle and nicely positioned next to the river.

Warning, the maps are not always that accurate and sometimes the streetnames are not as decribed so look out for that.

I didn't really fancy Auschwitz and Birkenau seemed a bit weird going for a daytrip to a death camp but you need to do it.

Didn't hear any great reports of the trip out to the saltmine, supposed to be a lot of walking in big tunnels.
Plastic Man

Papa Joe and Ahaddockinthenet - thank you for your replies. I do like to visit the slightly more off-beat places.

Eddie did have his eye on Warsaw for his "gentlemen's cultural weekend". However, he was having a tough time trying to justify Warsaw as the destination, as according to Magda, the place is full "cheap strumpets and drunks".

So on your recommendations Krakow may just scrape through Magda's stringent respectability requirements.

The third choice is Gdansk, which I presume is a marvellous choice if you're a fan of ship-building (and I don't mean the Robert Wyatt track!)
Robert Robinson

I'm off to Warsaw in February with my musical ensemble. Never been to Poland before. I expect to see unhealthy looking men with hairy noses shouting and drinking themselves in to a sweaty stupor, pretty young blonde ladies with frighteningly pale skin, hideous old ladies who stink of piss & paprika, grey clouds, chimneys billowing yellow smoke, sausages of every description, pink houses, rickety old trams and catholics everywhere.
Any stereotypes I've missed?
Plastic Man

Robert Robinson wrote:
Any stereotypes I've missed?


You forgot to mention that they are frightfully explicit when swearing, but perhaps that's an eastern European trait in general.
Late Doors

Mick I l lent you them holiday snaps in good faith to be used specifically for that exotic party you were throwing. Not to blather all over the internet








Pond Life

I think you two just went together
bearing

Nice use of photoshop Mick getting rid of those pesky Swans and adding Emma Peel was a master stroke.
Mick McCann

Was he following me?

Late Doors are you one of those two fellas who sit in the car outside our house every night?
Late Doors

If they are there now, then no.

We had a great time in Krakow (Me n Mrs D). Was a surprise birthday present in January two year back. The architecture is stunning and the bars ace. Id agree that it isn’t a stag do place contrary to popular belief especially in the Jewish Area where there are loads of Bars but very very Polish and you get the impression they wouldn’t tolerate gangs of Brits of the Piss. Didn’t go to Auschwitz and Birkenau. It was a beautiful crisp sunny cold winter weekend and didn’t really fancy spoiling the atmos. Will be a next time though definitely.

One thing to point out to unsuspecting visistorss is a bit of a rip off scam they do in the bars. They come round with some sickly shit liquor and offer it giving you the impression its free. Then when you get the bill they sting the backside off you by charging you double what you paid for the beer.
Mick McCann

Late Doors wrote:
If they are there now, then no.



Yes they are, one's tapping on a laptop.  
lebowski

My lad has just got back yesterday, serious advice for travellers, be careful where you decide to drink.

He was with his mate and ended up in a bar, his mate agreed to buy a couple of birds a drink who approached them, they had a beer, then comes the bill, £150-00, birds disappear, beastly bouncers appear, very aggressive, demanding payment, passport, credit card details, they haven't got the cash so my lads mate goes out to bank machine whilst they hold my lad hostage in the bar with the door locked ( They were the only customers) he thought he was going to end up in a Polish ditch, he was told in no uncertain terms that he was a long way from home and didn't have any friends there. He thought about fighting his way out but I think he took the right option.  This isn't a case of him taking a stupid choice, just a basement bar very similar looking to others they had already been in in the old town, Yes they have made an error of judgement buying the women a drink (Its an old trick I know) but they're young lads you know ?

Anyway, these lads work hard for their money and £150 is a lot of money to them, I have had a dig about on the net and apparently this in not uncommon in Krakow, so beware people, this could have turned into a tragedy very easily and I'm just glad to have him back in one piece.

Makes me feel like going all Charles Bronson on the bastards.

BTW - He had been to Auschwitz earlier that day and said it was harrowing but was glad he had been.
Dock

It surprise's me that this happened in Krakow, as those basement (Pod) bars are usually dead bohemian. At least he's safe, but at best it's a lesson learnt for them as a part of the growing up process. I personally think that the culprits saw them for younger more gullible lads. I think if our intrepid travellers looked a few more years older, the thugs might have left them alone. I remember me and my mate Rav were in a bar in Riga (a city where there's more Russian Mafia than you can throw an Oligarch at), and there were some heavies watching us, and the usual hookers came over to us giving it all that arm round you-buy me a drink bollocks, and it got to the point where I had to say quite loudly "JUST FUCK OFF". It worked, and the lad's who'd been staring at us didn't know what to do cos' we'd dared answer the girls back (that and the fact that Rav is of Indian origin and they weren't sure what he was or what planet he was from).

I think they saw your lad and his mate as easy pickings Leb.
lebowski

http://www.krakowpost.com/article/1726

From the Krakow Post.......

Ile kosztuje piwo tutaj?” – “How much does a beer cost here?” These four words may look daunting to a tourist freshly arrived in Krakow, but they can be essential to ensuring a good experience in the city. It is no mistake that in the last five years Krakow has gone from virtually unknown to one of the most visited cities in Europe. Krakow is unquestionably beautiful, fascinating and has an incredibly dynamic and varied nightlife. For many visitors, the city does indeed live up to its fairy tale image. Like most fairy tales however, Krakow has a dark side.

Compared to most modern cities, Krakow’s Old Town is remarkably safe and visitors are free to enjoy its 500-plus bars and cafes in relative peace and harmony. Long ago the city outlawed strip clubs and brothels in the Old Town so, for most visitors, Krakow is a family show. If you look below the surface however, Krakow functions just like any other city and is susceptible to the same dangers, scandals and most certainly, corruption. Recently, a few serious problems have arisen that call into question how safe the city actually is. How these problems are dealt with may very well help to define the city and its all-important image for years to come.

One of the oldest nightclub scams in the world has recently reared its head in the very heart of Krakow, just a minute's walk from the Main Market Square. Reports of foreigners being fleeced of extortionate sums of money at clubs within the Old Town have raised concerns that Krakow may meet the same fate of Riga or Prague.

The Krakow Post has received numerous reports of one particular scam that follows an unswerving pattern: On a weekend night, typically in the early hours, two beautiful women approach a foreigner or a small group of foreigners. They suggest a specific club where they would like to go, and ask the men to accompany them. The men, usually having had enough alcohol already to affect their judgement, agree and are led to an upscale nightclub. Inside, there are no menus or prices in view. The men order drinks for themselves and their new lady friends, and after some time the bill arrives and the trouble begins. Several visitors have reported being charged sums between a few hundred and several thousand złoty for a handful of drinks. Upon request, the waitress then brings a menu that lists the prices of the drinks. If the tourist attempts to resist or negotiate, bouncers appear to ensure that the payment is made in full.

Several complaints sent directly to the Krakow Post specifically named the Saxon Club on ul. św. Tomasza. In one, a man named Vincent G. writes that he was charged 250 złoty for one shot of whiskey at Saxon. In another, a visitor from South America claims that he was charged 965 złoty for three drinks at the club (one gin and tonic for himself for 65, and two “love drinks” for each of the girls, priced at 450), adding that he “was forced and threatened by some strong guys” and therefore paid the full sum. He also wrote that afterwards he tried to file a report with the Krakow police department about the incident and they allegedly told him that they couldn’t help him at all and it was his fault that he didn’t ask the price of the drinks before ordering them. Some may concede the police have a point, yet one might also also find it troubling if this is the official position on this kind of behaviour. By the time police do act, some fear it could be too late.

The scam originally surfaced in local daily Gazeta Krakowska. On 16 November, the paper published an in-depth investigative article about the Saxon Club, in which they tried to get to the bottom of how the scheme works, discovering a few vital details. For instance, they paid the 40 złoty entrance fee (free if brought in by women) and took a look around Saxon's plush interiors, not forgetting to peruse the menu. Besides the mysterious "love drink" for 450 złoty (actually called the Saxon Special), they report that beer costs 50 złoty, vodka and whiskey is 70 złoty, and from the VIP room menu one can purchase such delicacies as a Pole Dance for 250 złoty, 15 minutes in a private room for 700 złoty, whilst the coup de grace is an hour of "free time" for 2,000 złoty. The Gazeta Krakowska journalists didn't make it into the VIP room to actually affirm what was going on, but the menu descriptions do not leave much to the imagination.

Furthermore, the owner of Saxon also appears to own a club in Riga (also called Saxon). On 20 November 2008 the American Embassy in Latvia officially blacklisted Saxon in Riga, along with seven other nightclubs running similar scams, and recommended that American citizens should avoid these clubs at all costs.

So what can be done if you're visiting Krakow, and keen to enjoy the city's nightlife? First of all, use common sense if approached by strangers. Also, be aware that this kind of activity is not limited to one club. According to another local source, several other bars/clubs on ul. Sławkowska, Floriańska and św. Marka have been linked to the scheme. If more tourists are aware of such dangers, these kinds of businesses stand a smaller chance of getting off the ground in the first place.

Photo: The dark side of Krakow's club scene / photo by Jaap Arriens
Foo Whiter

lebowski wrote:
My lad has just got back yesterday, serious advice for travellers, be careful where you decide to drink.

He was with his mate and ended up in a bar, his mate agreed to buy a couple of birds a drink who approached them, they had a beer, then comes the bill, £150-00, birds disappear, beastly bouncers appear, very aggressive, demanding payment, passport, credit card details, they haven't got the cash so my lads mate goes out to bank machine whilst they hold my lad hostage in the bar with the door locked ( They were the only customers) he thought he was going to end up in a Polish ditch, he was told in no uncertain terms that he was a long way from home and didn't have any friends there. He thought about fighting his way out but I think he took the right option.  This isn't a case of him taking a stupid choice, just a basement bar very similar looking to others they had already been in in the old town, Yes they have made an error of judgement buying the women a drink (Its an old trick I know) but they're young lads you know ?

Anyway, these lads work hard for their money and £150 is a lot of money to them, I have had a dig about on the net and apparently this in not uncommon in Krakow, so beware people, this could have turned into a tragedy very easily and I'm just glad to have him back in one piece.

Makes me feel like going all Charles Bronson on the bastards.

BTW - He had been to Auschwitz earlier that day and said it was harrowing but was glad he had been.


Bloody hell Leb, im glad he's alright. Your son is one of the most sensible, loving young men i have the pleasure to know. What a set a of Polish c*nts no wonder you feel like killing the f*ckers.
lebowski

Foo Whiter wrote:
lebowski wrote:
My lad has just got back yesterday, serious advice for travellers, be careful where you decide to drink.

He was with his mate and ended up in a bar, his mate agreed to buy a couple of birds a drink who approached them, they had a beer, then comes the bill, £150-00, birds disappear, beastly bouncers appear, very aggressive, demanding payment, passport, credit card details, they haven't got the cash so my lads mate goes out to bank machine whilst they hold my lad hostage in the bar with the door locked ( They were the only customers) he thought he was going to end up in a Polish ditch, he was told in no uncertain terms that he was a long way from home and didn't have any friends there. He thought about fighting his way out but I think he took the right option.  This isn't a case of him taking a stupid choice, just a basement bar very similar looking to others they had already been in in the old town, Yes they have made an error of judgement buying the women a drink (Its an old trick I know) but they're young lads you know ?

Anyway, these lads work hard for their money and £150 is a lot of money to them, I have had a dig about on the net and apparently this in not uncommon in Krakow, so beware people, this could have turned into a tragedy very easily and I'm just glad to have him back in one piece.

Makes me feel like going all Charles Bronson on the bastards.

BTW - He had been to Auschwitz earlier that day and said it was harrowing but was glad he had been.


Bloody hell Leb, im glad he's alright. Your son is one of the most sensible, loving young men i have the pleasure to know. What a set a of Polish c*nts no wonder you feel like killing the f*ckers.


Thanks Foo.
Pond Life

Thank fuck they're ok. They wouldn't have held me long, the smell of shit in my pants would have forced them to release me.

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