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Heyho

Doctors sick notes

First may I say I count myself very fortunate and have not have any serious ill health. Indeed I've not had a day off sick.

I do appreciate that people occasionally will get ill. UK law says up to a week you can self cert then its a doctors sick note.

What a joke. Had one off a doctor recently saying 'general aches and pains'. That was the second sick note that took the person to a month off.

Anyway I have experienced things close to hand. Mrs H hasn't been to good since the death of her mum. Up to then she could count the number of sick days on one hand after working some 30 years.

So she rung up to get a doctors appointment and found out you don't need one now - the doctor can ring you and chat over the phone. Result - 2 weeks sick note. After 2 weeks she rang back and this time the receptionist did the deed - another 2 weeks.

Now I can tell Mrs H isn't right and the sick note is for 'bereavement' (urrrr?) but doesn't she actually need some treatment, counselling maybe?

I think there is something very wrong here.
sheeps

I have seen peoples 'illnesses' change on their notes over the course of the time taken off.
Heyho

The NHS has a target of 3.5% sick amongst full time staff. That's around 12.5 working days per annum for a full time person.

Procedure is they phone their manager on the day of sickness, put on that I can't talk voice (which wears off during the course of the conversation, promises to be back the next day and thats that. They come back withgin the next day or two, there's a return to work interview conducted and that's that. End of. If a person wants to they can bag an extra 12.5 days a year (on top of between 27-33 annual leave days plus a further 12 days if they are on flexi)

Now in the good old days this wasn't a big issue as the NHS had plenty of staff. Now it's been pruned down in these times of austerity (and quite rightly so may I add) the knock on effect of high sickness rates is very apparent amongst the remaining work force.
Dock

I didn't know that about just ringing up for one. In approx twenty five years of employment I've only ever had one sick note, which was for a period of three weeks earlier this year when I shattered my elbow. Mine was signed at my first outpatients appointment by the arm doctor.
Frazier Cranium

Had two weeks off when I broke my leg in 86, should have been more but my boss was an ex footie player who'd been there and done it all before  Had one day off with a broken ankle, and that was getting it put in pot.  But had a lengthy time off with M.E. in about 2001.
Dock

Frazier Cranium wrote:
Had two weeks off when I broke my leg in 86, should have been more but my boss was an ex footie player who'd been there and done it all before  Had one day off with a broken ankle, and that was getting it put in pot.  But had a lengthy time off with M.E. in about 2001.



86'? So THATS why we lost that World Cup. Nowt to do with a cheating spic, it was actually because Robert Endeacott was out injured. He'd be missed from any team would that lad.
Frazier Cranium



I watched every single game of that WC, mainly laid up on the settee downstairs.  Seem to recall I watched the Arg defeat with Heyho in the Tommy Wass.
Dock

Excuse the casually racist term I used for Maradona. I think its because I'm currently reading the excellent 'I Partridge: We Need to Talk About Alan' autobiography and its heavily influencing my psyche. My apologies for the Partridge Tourette's. Maybe I could get a sick note for it!
Frazier Cranium

Racist wanker.
fartcatcher

I'm lucky (touch MDF) in that I'm very rarely ill. Although I do moan a lot.

I'm not sure where I stand on this really.

I've seen thousands being spent on special kit required to entice a woman who claimed to have RSI back to work. She lasted one day and went off sick for another six months.

On the other hand I've seen someone who went off with stress as a result of continually being bullied, coerced back in to work and suffering a breakdown.

HR departments seem to have abandoned judgement and human factors in favour of a set of rules.
Dalek

fartcatcher wrote:
I'm lucky (touch MDF) in that I'm very rarely ill. Although I do moan a lot.

I'm not sure where I stand on this really.

I've seen thousands being spent on special kit required to entice a woman who claimed to have RSI back to work. She lasted one day and went off sick for another six months.

On the other hand I've seen someone who went off with stress as a result of continually being bullied, coerced back in to work and suffering a breakdown.

HR departments seem to have abandoned judgement and human factors in favour of a set of rules.


Similar tales are commonplace with the last sentence hammering home the intent.  It ( including HR Depts.) is not about people any more - rules and what "we" can do to provide the necessary to alleviate the symptoms rather that address the cause - (because that would cost too much) (brackets advisory). Is that why the sobriquet has become so derided in the workplace in the past few years.  When I started working, there were proper Personnel  Officers who would focus on the requirements of individuals in particular circumstances - not merely apply the rules for the benefit of the company.

There was a lady (who actually came from Leeds) who was an absolute star in personnel management in the early 1980s at the firm where I first started work.  She left when it became not Personnel, but Human Resources - I think out of principle.

It was never the same thereafter.
Heyho

I get bollocked regularly from HR as I have a tendency to be pretty lenient because you can't beat the system. My latest argument is that I am not skilled in managing someone who is Bi Polar and that includes threatening texts at 3am from him. and what did HR advise - please follow the Absence Management Procedure.

I would allow people to self cert for 3 days (would be 2 but in the NHS someone has to be 3 days clear of things like D&V). After that they must have a sick note. Oh and let the docs charge for one but the sicknote must be in the form of an email not thatshitty paper copy.
Cutsyke

I used to get migraines. Thankfully I rarely get them but I've had loads of days off with them. They are hell to go through but going to the Dr's for a sick note would be a nonstarter for most migraine sufferers I would imagine.

Bloke I work with uses all his when him and his working wife need to be home because their kid is sick or the school has a day off. His wife does the same.

I've called out sick loads of times because I wanted to do something better like take the kids down the shore or have a day on the ale or do something round the house or on the car or I've had a side job to do.

I sell my time to my employer, they don't own me. It's a transaction plain and simple. My job doesn't define me nor is it the most important thing in my life. It's a necessary evil. Every employer I've worked for has progressively tried to get more from the transaction as the years have past; be it putting more work on me, freezing pay, or, get this trying to take sick days off us as we weren't using them so obviously didn't need them.

Any sick days I don't take I get paid for at the end of the year.
Late Doors

Ace post Cuts, work is war
Dock

Late Doors wrote:
Ace post Cuts, work is war


Seconded.
fartcatcher

Through no fault of my own, I ended up in middle management in a big corporate. Received a call from HR asking me to come over straight away.

A young guy who worked for me had been posting stuff on a motoring forum which was apparently highly confidential and was therefore in breach of his contract.

They wanted me to sack him. Had to battle to get it down-graded to a written warning. It still effectively ended his career in the company.

A real shitty experience.

They call themselves 'Talent management' now btw.
Plastic Man

Those that can do the job, do it.

Those that can't do the job, manage those who can.

And the terminally incompetent work in HR.

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