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Late Doors

Dare we think -

That sense has sunk in and Il Duce has realised that in Rossler and Pearson he has  two blokes who might just know what they are doing ?
Frazier Cranium

Funny, I called him Il Duce earlier today as well.

Simple facts are, he has brought in Pearson and he has replaced Thompson and Redfearn with Rosler.  I give him credit for both even though it was a bumpy and shoddy way of getting to the point we needed a new coach.  

As to WHY Pearson is there, well I have a couple of ideas and one big hope.

I also think that October, the month of the re-retrials (?) could be significant.
Late Doors

Great Minds eh ?
Late Doors

Well that went tits up pretty quickly then. Should've known better though. What's the story with Pearson here? Codge ? Your usually on the ball. Due diligence done? Fall out ?
Frazier Cranium

Genuinely no idea mate, and anyone with any insider knowledge is keeping it to themselves,  That is if there IS any such info, I have my doubts.

I think it could be a combi of both tbh, with October Fest Trials coming up (?).  I do think there is a chance that Pearson is part of a group wanting to buy the club from him.  I did hear a rumour that Cellino wanted to do that but for the 'new owners' to let him buy the ground.  Could be total shite of course.
fartcatcher

Statement is so bland that it's meaningless. Difficult to know if it's even a half truth.

He gave us some stability. Without him there's a risk Cellino will return to his worst excesses.
Frazier Cranium

I KNOW you don't mean my statement
sheeps

His RL club is in the shit, that's where he is going.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Mysterious - was the Pearson statement a bit of a face-saver for both men? Is there anyway back for AP? I know he once liked the bolivian like MC and DC but was surprised he's going to keep running Hull's rugby club

Thought he was Leeds through and through :/
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Mysterious - was the Pearson statement a bit of a face-saver for both men? Is there anyway back for AP? I know he once liked the bolivian like MC and DC but was surprised he's going to keep running Hull's rugby club

Thought he was Leeds through and through :/
Late Doors

A few week ago

*ring ring *
"Hello, God Speaking".
"Morning Squire, earth ambassador here, UK division".
"Eh up Jimi, how you doing? "
"Jimi's dead, Murdoch speaking. "
"Fuck me how did that happen. "
"You were pissed, then went awol leaving us to it, remember. "
"Oh aye, taken my eye off the ball a bit these days, what's up? "
"Nowt much, most things going to plan 'cept we have a bit of a situation up in Leeds"
"Them bastards again, thought I sent Ken to deal with that"
"Aye, a few of them were beginning to think things might be on the up, For instance Late D….."
"That prick? , fuck me doesn't he ever learn, take that. " *wooooosh* "sorted "
sheeps

   
Grind

Proof that there is no God.
bearing

So it's all your fault then LD?
Late Doors

I Wonder sometime . All my teams over the years have been bottlers. LUFC, Fartown, England Cricket, Yorkshire Cricket, England Football. The cricketers are coming through Finally just hope the rest do some day. 'cept England Football who i honestly do not give two jots about or ever will again.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

https://twitter.com/MassimosWay

The cartoon Massimo with reedited clips of his interviews is pure genius
Frazier Cranium



I fix dis club.
Late Doors

Dare we think He's on his way out ? I swear i heard one nutter on the bus last home game shout "bring back Ken"  and meant it
fartcatcher

I've seen similar views expressed on another forum. It's amazing how quickly painful memories fade. Bates was like toothache and childbirth rolled into one. Not that I've actually experienced the latter.
Frazier Cranium

Bates is the root (dental quip also intended) cause for all this shit we've had to suffer, due to his crooked ways and his milking of the club and syphoning of profits.  GFH were inept and just as crooked but no where near as good at it, and Cellino is an egotistic numpty who thought he was so clever he didn't have to conduct Due Diligence in the deal when those wankers GFH sold him the club, plus a debt of millions which he now owes THEM!
fartcatcher

See the deal with LFU is off after 5 days. No surprises.

His behaviour's so erratic, it makes you wonder whether he's wired up properly, or consuming his own weight in Peruvian Marching Powder every week.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

I can't say I blame him - they are under financed dreamers who wanted due diligence and a period of exclusivity and confidentiality but were prematurely mouthing off to all and sundry

They'd be better off trying to raise the money for the GFH 25% and then winkling out Cellino over time

What good would it do selling out to a fans consortium who don't have the brass and would head us into another firesale administration, points deduction and relegation and who don't have the money to buy him out let alone keep the club ticking over

These are dangerous times for Leeds - even more so as our potty sugar-daddy has now lost all heart for the project and wants out
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Also he has fatally miscalculated - he could get away with this behaviour at Cagliari for a while because he was a Sardinian insider but the FL and the Leeds fans have shorter tempers than the Cagliari fans and the Italian FA

This is as dangerous a time for Leeds as the Bates administration, Redbus, and the FL points deduction to League 1

If they stave off admin and relegation this season it will be a victory
Frazier Cranium

So you KNOW the finances of LFU, SBC?  I'll answer for you, no you don't.

And mention of firesale and administration and points deductions is just embarrassing.

Mate, I can respect opposition to fan ownership but not when the opposition is based on no facts.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Frazier Cranium wrote:
So you KNOW the finances of LFU, SBC?  I'll answer for you, no you don't.

And mention of firesale and administration and points deductions is just embarrassing.

Mate, I can respect opposition to fan ownership but not when the opposition is based on no facts.


And you do know the finances of LFU? Please tell me I'd be very interested to hear of them.

You sit on the fence on most things but get very aggressive over this one issue

Why is it 'embarrassing' to mention admin and points deduction? It's what happened last time bills crippled the club when the owner decided he wouldn't be paying the bills and wanted to use mechanisms to write off debts

If you don't like contrary opinion try to deal with it with rational argument rather than insults
Heyho

Wow! Fireworks on bonfire night.

I'm with you regarding the LFU bid Sir B and have discussed this in depth with Codge. Although I hope these 'ring leaders' are not financial dreamers as you put it as they are probably very successful business men and 'I didn't get where I am today...'. I will give them the benefit of the doubt and hope and prey this isn't a publicity stunt for them. But even collectively they don't have the financial clout needed.

It's a bit different from Harry Reynolds and Manyy Cussins day when a few grand would get you this and that. Nowadys you'd need 50 million before you started. That's how financing football has changed.

As for the remainder of LFU and the likes of Codge. I really do respect his passion and love for his team. With Codge it goes a little bit further as well with his family involvement. That is something that was instilled, in a nice way, into staff in the Revie era - that family bond to the club.

It is something I have always respected my old man for. When he got sacked I had the duty of answering the phone from every national newspaper in the country wanting him to sell his story. He refused to and to this day there are certain things he will not divulge. Even today if he did, well if the rumours were true that is, he's be a rich man. And why - because he loves the club.

As for LFU - I would put the efforts into brick and mortar and look at having a fans buyout of the ground, developing the West Stand in the process into a decent venue, sports rehab, training etc centre (simialr to what City have done). That way the ground could be leased to a perspective owner who manages the staff and on the pitch side of things.
Frazier Cranium

Sir Bulldog Craggwood wrote:
Frazier Cranium wrote:
So you KNOW the finances of LFU, SBC?  I'll answer for you, no you don't.

And mention of firesale and administration and points deductions is just embarrassing.

Mate, I can respect opposition to fan ownership but not when the opposition is based on no facts.


And you do know the finances of LFU? Please tell me I'd be very interested to hear of them.  

SBC I don't need to tell you, Ive read up on it, it's easy, try it.  i also do know some of the people involved who have the money, and the combined wealth, I also am told that a number of unnamed individuals (yes, Leeds fans too) who have 'put up' and not shut up, but appreciate that that could be described as 'fairytales', something which the proven liar and fraudster Cellino has accused LFU of telling.

You sit on the fence on most things but get very aggressive over this one issue

- how have I been aggressive?  And please point out when/where I've sat on the fence, I'd love to see evidence.  I DO remember in the past trying to be reasonable in many an argument, trying to defuse volatile situations and I also remember defending people when they've been accused or ridiculed unfairly, by being calm and sensible, you yourself might remember that.  If that's sitting on the fence - which is an insult, I get it, thanks - then I'm guilty as charged.

Why is it 'embarrassing' to mention admin and points deduction? It's what happened last time bills crippled the club when the owner decided he wouldn't be paying the bills and wanted to use mechanisms to write off debts  

- I sincerely hope you're not defending Bates too.  It's embarrassing because it is not only scaremongering but it's near paranoid suggestion that LFU are inept, and that in the unlikely event they get ownership everything would just implode.  And if you remember, it was Bates who caused those incidences.  And do you really think that if LFU didn't have the finances then they'd go ahead with a purchase, that they haven't proven expertise and experience on their Executive?

If you don't like contrary opinion try to deal with it with rational argument rather than insults - where's the insults SBC?  Calling me a fence-sitter is insulting isn't it, by the way?  What rational argument have you posted?  All you have done is criticized without anything to back up your criticisms.

But anyway, I apologise if I have offended you, that was never the intention, but I get ratty when people who I believe to be intelligent come out with lazy jibes.


fartcatcher

I had a look at LFU's financial plan. The four phases of financing seemed to make sense, but it was never going to go anywhere unless they had the initial commitment of the fans and the owner.

I think if Cellino had gone for the exclusivity deal, I'd have been tempted to put £100 in. He was never likely to though - as it seriously limited his money making options. He's a twat for not saying so straight away.

The guys behind LFU have either made or handled a lot of money. They are not idiots, but they lack credibility as they haven't got a big name backer. I'm surprised so many fans have questioned their motives. At least they have tried rather than sat on the backsides and moaned as many (including me) have done.

They need to regroup look for a backer and try again. Web site needs looking as well. An FAQ page or a forum would give fans the opportunity for a bit of 'constructive feedback' as well as reducing criticism that they are remote from the majority of fans.

I share his lordship's concern about the financial state of the club. This seems to have been quietly forgotten while the world watches Cellino's clowning. Maybe it's a deliberate tactic.
Frazier Cranium

The fact that PulledMussolinio has 100% lied to everyone about this is at least a step in the right direction, that he is looking to sell.  He also admitted that he has been looking to sell before.

LFU not naming mega wealthy backers is not the same as not having any.  They have but that's my belief, I can't prove it and would be unwise to try.  The collective CVs of the LFU Exec is more than credible imho.  

From hoping for the opportunity to buy minority share to suddenly be advised by the owner that he will only sell his majority share to THEM, is some shift.   He lost his nerve when his 'gauntlet' was taken up (and some) with LFU asking for exclusivity and to be able to do Due Diligence.

LFU aren't perfect but they have shown a damn sight more professionalism and respect than that man ever has.  'The fans are the only asset of Leeds United' blah blah blah.  I'm all for not biting the hand that feeds you but FFS he's been abusing the fans since day minus one.
Frazier Cranium

BY MOSCOWHITE

Almost a week since it was announced that Massimo Cellino had agreed to sell Leeds United to Leeds Fans Utd, and everybody involved is sticking firmly to the script.

The beleaguered owner, at first pliant, turns bullish and belligerant. The owners-in-waiting are scrutinised, pilloried, belittled and then formally rebuffed. The fans split, and turn on each other, some taking the side of the owner, some the side of the buyer, over a deal that — apart from in some, certain cases — they can’t influence anyway. Peter Lorimer uses the Yorkshire Evening Post to lecture fans to support the owner, for rescuing the club from the last owner Lorimer lectured fans to support. The club itself begins to cough and splutter; this week, the loan transfer of Liam Bridcutt that wasn’t quite over the line in time for him to face Cardiff still isn’t quite over the line in time for him to face Huddersfield. The deal is “confused,” says Sam Allardyce, Sunderland’s manager. “A bit like Leeds.”

This time there are differences, mainly because Cellino is involved, and he’s, how shall I put this, ‘differently skilled’ when it comes to running a football club. This week is the first time I can remember a priest becoming involved, brought in by Cellino to “bless” — the doubful quotemarks are the official website’s own — the pitch; we only went and won on it, too, another rarity when it’s takeover hour.

The other difference was the identity of the buyers. Over the past few years we’ve had rumoured interest from Canada, the USA, China, various parts of the Middle East, and Red Bull, as well as UK consortiums; we’ve been bought by a Bahraini bank with an ill-starred reputation and a madcap Italian everyone in Britain had forgotten existed after he was frightened off from buying West Ham by The FA’s ownership regulations.

This time, if you’d stuck in £100 or contributed to sticking £100 into Leeds Fans CBS, then the person doing the buying was you. And if you hadn’t and you weren’t, probably several people sat near you at Elland Road had. Massimo Cellino offered last week to sell to a group that couldn’t be more different from the foreign banks, obscure investment funds and difficult to pronounce individuals we’ve had to frantically Google when their names were linked. Cellino offered to sell to a group us Leeds fans know better than anybody: Leeds fans.

If you believe in solidarity among a football club’s supporters, if you’ve felt a real kinship from singing We Are Leeds, or its modern offspring All Leeds Aren’t We, if you’ve ever looked around an away end and thought about how, different as everybody there might be, it’s great that so many people can come together around this one thing, then you’ll be as mystified as I have been by the suspicion and vitriol aimed by Leeds United fans at Leeds United fans who were trying to buy Leeds United.

I’ve become used to many Leeds fans’ blind defence of the incumbent over the years; people stuck up for Ken Bates, other people stuck up for GFH. I’ve heard Leeds described as a town run by bosses; that it was dominated by the mill-owners, rather than the millworkers, and that this can explain the natural ease with which Loiners cower before the presumed superiority of the rich; which is what these defences largely amount to: Cellino wouldn’t be rich if he didn’t know what he’s doing, and he bought the club so he owns it, so he should be left to do what he wants.

In Cellino’s case this falls down at the first statement; in every case, it should fail on the second, because when you say, ‘he bought the club’, you’re really saying, ‘he bought me’, because what it is a club without its fans, and its income stream from its fans? The third statement, after Ridsdale, McKenzie, Krasner, Bates, GFH and Cellino, should never be uttered, and yet it’s often the position fans rush to, after they’ve been bought.

What is stark, in this week’s defence of Cellino, is the self-loathing. ‘What do Leeds United fans know about running a football club?’ demand the Leeds United fans, who never asked Massimo Cellino the same question. It’s hard not to listen to this rhetoric and decide, sadly, that the transformation of football supporters from fans to consumers is complete.

There has always been an element of optimism in football fandom: the idea that, if you sing a song, or shout the right encouragement at the right moment, your team’s mostly duff striker will score a goal. This optimism persists, although it’s more often expressed in the negative; we shouldn’t openly criticise players, because it will limit how they play. Most fans, though, deep down, would recognise the delusion involved in thinking that shouting ‘shoot, you bastard!’ from the back of the Kop will affect the game in any way.

Where fans really can influence football clubs is off the pitch, as shown by clubs like Swansea, AFC Wimbledom, FCUM, Portsmouth and others; where fans didn’t just seek influence at a club, but wrested control of a club’s destiny. Talking cold: there is more chance of a Leeds United fan buying Leeds United than there is of a Leeds United fan coaxing a netbuster from Alex Mowatt by shouting ‘Play up, Alex!’ from the sidelines. And yet optimistically we cheer for Alex from the stands, performing our allotted roles in modern football; while all optimism about influencing the club off the pitch is crushed by knowing our place. That, apparently, is for people who know what they’re doing; as if Alex Mowatt doesn’t know what he’s doing, or needs our help.

The perception that Leeds Fans Utd wouldn’t know what they were doing is one that has them caught between the need, as a group that wants fans to have a stake in the future of Leeds, to gain support as a grass-roots movement; and the structural reality of their buyout if you took away the name.

Because of their origins and their aims, LFU place the greatest focus on the ordinary ranks of their fundraisers, the fans in for £100. But start looking at the funding model described by Dylan Thwaites from the top, and it looks much like any other takeover: around a dozen ‘high net worth individuals’ (‘multi-millionaires’ doesn’t sound so impressive these days when you can become one as a reserve team footballer) pooling resources to provide 90% of the funding, with favourable loan options on hand and a percentage of the club going to invested supporters.

If that proposal was made by Mr O. Versees Investor of The Foreign Bank With The Reassuring Name, it would go down a storm: wealthy individuals! Favourable backing from big financial institutions! And they’ll even sell ten per cent to the fans and give us a say! That proposal, finally, might lessen the grip on even the most tugged forelocks around LS11 and invite backing for the bid. But this identical proposal was made by Leeds United fans. Therefore it doesn’t have credibility with Leeds United fans. And there in our sights, as we squeeze the trigger, is our foot.

“I saw the supporters group Leeds Fans United talking about buying him out earlier this week, although that seems to have fallen through now,” screamed Peter Lorimer from under his bedclothes, tears running down his mascara stained cheeks. He seems to have missed the part where Leeds Fans United were talking about buying Cellino out because Cellino had agreed that they could buy him out, and is instead intent on defending Cellino to the hilt the way he defended Bates to the hilt, regardless of whether Cellino wants to stay or not.

“I’m very hurt and sad,” says Massimo, “I can’t take anymore.“ But Peter isn’t having that. ”I accept that Massimo does things his own way but some of the criticism of him has been very unfair,“ said Peter, also missing Cellino’s self-assessment — ”I’ve achieved nothing" — which would suggest that the criticism of him has been very fair.

Where Lorimer truly shows himself up is not in the unveiled attacks on the fans for daring to hold and express an opinion on events at the football club they pour their savings into supporting — that’s old stuff from Lash by now. It’s here, where he says:

“Football clubs like ours need big finance. I’m sorry but they do. Massimo has money, there’s no doubt about that, and he’s put plenty into the club … I don’t believe that lots of wealthy people are out there waiting to buy Championship clubs. I just don’t see it. A minority are trying to chase Massimo out without being able to say what will replace him.”

— and creates the same feedback loop that kowtowing Leeds fans make whenever a takeover is mooted: there can’t possibly be anyone out there rich enough to buy Leeds United, therefore we have no choice but to stick with the person rich enough to have bought Leeds United.

Pliance will be our downfall. The defeat to Blackburn last Thursday was as woebegone as any I’ve seen in the last ten years, and yet me and nearly 18,000 others still turned out to see some more of it on Tuesday night. And hey, Leeds United won, so we got our treat! And that’s the Leeds United conundrum in a nutshell: with our massive fanbase, we have massive power; but we use that power to turn out in greater numbers and be treated to worse fare than supporters of any other football club, and then when people like Peter Lorimer tell us to shut up and be grateful, we listen.

“Does anyone really think that the way in which owners are treated here will encourage people to invest?” asked Lorimer. I dunno. Leeds United’s fans have had it far rougher than any of our owners over the last decade, and we keep handing over fistfuls of money for tickets and merchandise to keep the club going. If you listened to Lorimer, you’d imagine only a masochist would want to take charge of Leeds United FC, yet the fans are the one bunch of masochists that are never in charge.

Back to imaginary rich saviour top trumps it is, then, as philanthropic Canadians are played off against carbonated drink peddlers, none of them, not a single one, giving a toss about us or our arguments.
smiling badger

just give the guy ( Cellino) respect. He deserves it.
Apparently.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Massimo Cellino wouldn't be rich unless his father was an ingenious hard working possibly corrupt and lucky business man

I doubt very much Massimo on his own would have accrued a 100th of the fortune he currently has without being his father's son
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Also just take a look at Peter Lorimer's achievements as a player for Leeds - if anyone's got a right to have an opinion about Leeds without being insulted and abused it's him
smiling badger

Sir Bulldog Craggwood wrote:
Also just take a look at Peter Lorimer's achievements as a player for Leeds - if anyone's got a right to have an opinion about Leeds without being insulted and abused it's him


To an extent. Theres being a great player on the pitch and being a lap dog off it to the likes of Bates and Cellino and slating fans.
fartcatcher

I don't normally get angry but Lorimer's article had me reaching for the Amlodipine. He's been living off his 'Leeds Legend' status for far too long now.
His suggestion that we should give Cellino more time was farcical. Has Cellino given his managers more time ???!!!

Don't tell me what I should be thinking and doing as a fan, PL. I've been patronised by much smarter and more knowledgeable people than you.
Frazier Cranium

I don't normally get angry at other posts on here but seeing as SBC hasn't the decency to apologise to me he can go fuck himself.  

Call this a flounce, I don't give a shit.

And it was really good to see Sheeps tonight
sheeps

Frazier Cranium wrote:
I don't normally get angry at other posts on here but seeing as SBC hasn't the decency to apologise to me he can go fuck himself.  

Call this a flounce, I don't give a shit.

And it was really good to see Sheeps tonight




Yes it was.
Heyho

Perhaps Hot Shots support of Cellino isn't too surprising given his own lack of success in the business arena.

He has a history of failed stories and the need to hide behind people (like his female partner) to keep himself afloat
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Frazier Cranium wrote:
I don't normally get angry at other posts on here but seeing as SBC hasn't the decency to apologise to me he can go fuck himself.  

Call this a flounce, I don't give a shit.

And it was really good to see Sheeps tonight


what do I have to apologise for? You got rude first insulting my intelligence for holding a contrary opinion - you've been exceptionally rude to me before about the political balance of the bbc but I just ignored it rather than demanding apologies, bothering to argue back and getting all sweary-mary about things

Its a message board. We've all got busy lives and things to do - sorry but I don't have time to sift through old posts looking for things to apologise for
Frazier Cranium

Sir Bulldog Craggwood wrote:
Frazier Cranium wrote:
I don't normally get angry at other posts on here but seeing as SBC hasn't the decency to apologise to me he can go fuck himself.  

Call this a flounce, I don't give a shit.

And it was really good to see Sheeps tonight


what do I have to apologise for? You got rude first insulting my intelligence for holding a contrary opinion - you've been exceptionally rude to me before about the political balance of the bbc but I just ignored it rather than demanding apologies, bothering to argue back and getting all sweary-mary about things

Its a message board. We've all got busy lives and things to do - sorry but I don't have time to sift through old posts looking for things to apologise for


Here's what you said about LFU, SBC - ' they are under financed dreamers who wanted due diligence and a period of exclusivity and confidentiality but were prematurely mouthing off to all and sundry'

that isn't actually true.

I've explained the rest of my tirade and yes I apologised if offending you.  I didn't get personal, though comparing you to Katie Hopkins wasn't very nice of me I admit.  Your accusing me of being a fence-sitter is basically saying I'm spineless and have no strong opinion on anything.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

Frazier Cranium wrote:
Sir Bulldog Craggwood wrote:
Frazier Cranium wrote:
I don't normally get angry at other posts on here but seeing as SBC hasn't the decency to apologise to me he can go fuck himself.  

Call this a flounce, I don't give a shit.

And it was really good to see Sheeps tonight


what do I have to apologise for? You got rude first insulting my intelligence for holding a contrary opinion - you've been exceptionally rude to me before about the political balance of the bbc but I just ignored it rather than demanding apologies, bothering to argue back and getting all sweary-mary about things

Its a message board. We've all got busy lives and things to do - sorry but I don't have time to sift through old posts looking for things to apologise for


Here's what you said about LFU, SBC - ' they are under financed dreamers who wanted due diligence and a period of exclusivity and confidentiality but were prematurely mouthing off to all and sundry'

that isn't actually true.

I've explained the rest of my tirade and yes I apologised if offending you.  I didn't get personal, though comparing you to Katie Hopkins wasn't very nice of me I admit.  Your accusing me of being a fence-sitter is basically saying I'm spineless and have no strong opinion on anything.


Ah! I didn't know you were personally involved and therefore very close to the action and thus well informed - I didn't realise you were among the group so I understand after his u-turn you were a bit peeved with my comment
Heyho

Christ. I thought I was back on OMJ for a moment then.

There's nowt like a good takeover bid to get the passion going.

And this isn't anything like a good takeover.
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

It's alright cos Steve Parkin's coming to the rescue

Probably an incredible combo of Cellino's arrogance and trigger-happy style and Bates's belligerence and meanness
Late Doors

that was some outpouring by yon Moscow white there Codge, very impassioned. Read it all this week. Made me realise I haven't applied for shares yet, so I posted it this morning, in, finally
Late Doors

Sir Bulldog Craggwood wrote:
It's alright cos Steve Parkin's coming to the rescue

Probably an incredible combo of Cellino's arrogance and trigger-happy style and Bates's belligerence and meanness


Steve Parkin? christ is that Massimo's scorched earth policy kicking in then?

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