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Cricket betting scam allegations

Breaking news on the BBC....More to follow I guess.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11122388
Sir Bulldog Craggwood

no wonder Pakistan were playing so bad!!!
Late Doors

makes you sick in the stomach. What the hell must JT and Broady be making now of that sensational eighth wicket stand. Not the fist time either is it in the sport
Butts

It's not match fixing but just the timing of three no balls. I was watching when Amir, who had been bowling beautifully, overstepped by about 12 inches. It was a no ball the umpire couldn't fail to see. When it was replayed Michael Holding was amazed... "well, well, well" he said.

If it's true Amir's career is over at 19, the bowler who's got to 50 wickets quicker than any other in the game. Great shame as he's a fantastic player.
Late Doors

Highly unlikely to be match fixing but itís the integrity thatís been tampered with. Sport is or is supposed to be all about integrity. Once that bedrock is scarred its not long before the whole lot crashes
Butts

I don't mean to understate it. Ramiz Raja on Sky now has talked about hanging his head in shame as an amabassador for Pakistan cricket. The NotW article also talks about how two of the forthcoming one dayers could be fixed.
Dock

As I've stated on here on many occasions, I'm not a cricket fan. But I did watch the no-balls on the news last night, and from a totally neutral point of view I would like to state catergorically that the Pakistan team are as bent as fuck. It's disgusting behaviour. As with the bloodgate scandal, and various others in other sports (yes, racing as well), I think that the authorites who govern sports should do away with two or three year bans, and just ban the bastards for life. I think a blanket life ban and permanent loss of future earnings for any sportsperson found guilty of being a shifty bastard that bites the hand that feeds them, would make a lot of sports stars think twice about getting involved in anything like this.
Carp

Like LD and Dock, this sort of thing makes me sick.

Sport is meant to be about natural skill, strength, speed of mind, co-ordination etc. I just do not get the win at any cost mentality. I suppose that in my various amateur sporting exploits, great sums of money have never turned my eye. I don't understand why a professional sports person, something many of us dreamed of being as youngsters, would bring their sport and careers in to disrepute.

A mad keen cycling person I know was trying to defend the drug cheating in the Tour de France a couple of years back. His defence was that it enhanced performance and therefore enhanced the viewing pleasure, and that all sports people should have the option to legally follow that route. When I thought about this mentality and if it ever became popular opinion, I had to walk away from the conversation.
Fin

I think he crossed the line
Carp

I think that if they are guilty they should be left with no balls.
Fin

I still prefer the Test cricket to the one dayers which i find over rated
Carp

I too prefer the longer formats, four and five dayers.
bearing

Amir just got Pakistan player of the series...
Carp

Innocent until proven otherwise I guess.
Plastic Man

Fin wrote:
I still prefer the Test cricket to the one dayers which i find over rated


grunt

Plastic Man wrote:
Fin wrote:
I still prefer the Test cricket to the one dayers which i find over rated




Eh?
Fin

Over rated
grunt

Oh.
Dock

bearing wrote:
Amir just got Pakistan player of the series...


There's a great picture in this morning's Independent of the ECB' Giles Clarke handing Amir a £4000 cheque for The Player of the Series. Amir doesn't know where to look and it reports that Clarke didn't even shake his hand, rightly so. Apparently Clarke had fought really hard for the Pakistan team to be helped by other cricketing nations since they've been blocked from playing in their own country. He must feel really let down.
Pond Life

My youngest yesterday waited for his elder brother to tie his shoelace before hoofing the ball at him (exaggeration), he turned to me and said, "I am being a good sportsman dad".

All the previous stuff mentioned, obviously horse racing has it's darker side, we have seen scandals in most sports from Ice dancing to...er...well cricket now. Drugs and money ruin so many people and so many sports.

Football has the widest coverage in this country and the lack of sportsmanship in that makes me want to puke shit. It has had it's betting scandals and the week in week out display of diving, 'playing for the foul', denied handballs is all sickening to me.

My nan used to tell me that cheating at games was really cheating yourself. I still believe that.
Fin

I watched Pakistans last tour of Australia and to be honest some of it was a joke,if Kamran Akmal and some of the others were not trying to throw some of the games i'm a Dutchman.It was embarrassing to watch as he dropped chance after chance and missed easy stumpings and run outs.There was another player(name escapes me) who dropped two dollies in two overs then another a few overs later.
Rumour has it that Afridi packed it in because he knew there was a good chance that some of the players were going to be involved in match fixing or similar against England*,pot kettle black springs to mind.




*South Africa 'B'
sheeps

Clacker wrote:
Dock wrote:
Apparently Clarke had fought really hard for the Pakistan team to be helped by other cricketing nations since they've been blocked from playing in their own country. He must feel really let down.


I imagine the majority of their fans feel really let down, embarrassed, angry too. Imagine if this was England. We'd disown the cheating fuckers.


S. Africa / England.
Butts

It was Giles Clarke who organised the Pakistan tests in England against Australia given the security situation over there, two games that will now be gone over ball by ball.
fartcatcher

As long as people are allowed to bet on sport this will continue. There will always be bookies, punters, agents and 'shadowy middlemen' looking to influence players, particularly those who are struggling for money.

You can just imagine the conversation 'all you need to do is bowl the odd no-ball. it won't make any difference to the outcome of the game'.
Fin

Who would take bets on when a no ball was going to be bowled,what bookie in their right mind would think "oh they must just be feeling lucky" it's obviously a safe bet anyone betting on when a no ball was gonna be bowled must have some inside info.
bearing

I can't imagine they're doing the dealings with the local Ladbrokes Fin, these shadowy figures will bet on two flies crawling up a wall.
Butts

Fin wrote:
Who would take bets on when a no ball was going to be bowled,what bookie in their right mind would think "oh they must just be feeling lucky" it's obviously a safe bet anyone betting on when a no ball was gonna be bowled must have some inside info.


I think it was more to do with demonstrating the hold they had over the players than any actual pattern of betting.
Dock

Fin wrote:
Who would take bets on when a no ball was going to be bowled,what bookie in their right mind would think "oh they must just be feeling lucky" it's obviously a safe bet anyone betting on when a no ball was gonna be bowled must have some inside info.

Because betting is frowned upon in Pakistan, many illegal betting 'dens' have opened up in which the punters will bet pennies on something as daft as a no-ball in a certain over. Also as Gambo says, the fixer was showing how much control he had over the outcome of a game.
Fin

It makes me wonder if Harmison first delivery(it was the first ball bowled) in the 06/07 Ashes series in Australia which was a massive wide,was in fact premeditated?
Plastic Man

Hasn't there been some rumblings about potential rigged spot-betting in football? I seem to remember that questions were asked when someone put  the ball out to concede a throw-in.

What made it unusual was that it was virtually straight from the kick off.
Forest

Plastic Man wrote:
Hasn't there been some rumblings about potential rigged spot-betting in football? I seem to remember that questions were asked when someone put †the ball out to concede a throw-in.

What made it unusual was that it was virtually straight from the kick off.


It was Matt Le Tissier I think.
Late Doors

From Crininfo
http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/current/story/499519.html

The three Pakistan players at the centre of the spot-fixing allegations that rocked the Lord's Test against England last August have been charged by the UK Crown Prosecution Service with conspiracy to obtain and accept corrupt payments, and conspiracy to cheat.

whadya think? hang em now? they looks all well dodgy, some of em are foreign as well though none appear to have glasses other than the dark variety  but that surely suggests a certain amount of guilt
Late Doors

Guilty, CHUFFING GUILTY

Not read it all, i'm just so glad (but not if you know what i mean)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2...n-spot-fixing-trial?newsfeed=true
Late Doors

 blimey
Butts

Loads to come out, with some stuff the Aussies aren't going to like apparently.
fartcatcher

tip of the iceberg, but i reckon the Cricket authorities will do all they can to suppress it.
Dock

Fantastic!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15573463
fartcatcher

Justice done courtesy of the now defunct NoW.  
Late Doors

Blimey, can't say it isn't a shock though to hear one of our noble practitioners has taken the lucre


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/16537558.stm
fartcatcher

Rumours that he was put up to it by a well known ex-cricketer whose name will be revealed shortly.

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