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sheeps

Bit controversial?

Minutes silence.

Minutes applause.

And the rest.


Why has sport become so concerned with remembrance? You can't tune into a sporting event without, football being the obvious one, bowed heads and silence being part of the warm up. Flowers and scarves on the gates of the ground when they pass OK but let them rest in peace, we each have our own memories and countless Sky repeats to keep them in our thoughts if required.

The England v Scotland thing with poppies, discussed endlessly by the media and even by our PM in Parliament, get together lads at the appropriate date and time and pay your respects (wonder if they did), you don't need an audience.  

I have worked with blokes who were good honest human beings who were great at their jobs but we don't all stop work on the anniversary of their deaths and celebrate the fact that no one unblocked a sink like Mick.

Good deeds, people and sacrifice should be remembered and respect given but do we need to make a spectacle of it.
Dock

Its that post-Diana bollocks isn't it. Where people with absolutely no personality grieved for a woman they never knew. Everything has to be fucking falsely commemorated. A recent one that I thought was tenuous was LU doing a minutes applause for Don Revie's son. Question: Why? An ex-player or manager I can understand, but a dead managers son? C'mon for fucksakes! That's just one of many but this kind of thing will carry on because if the Diana 'outpouring of grief' has shown us anything, its that knobheads will hitch their waggon to any death so that they can be seen to fight back tears in front of their friends and family. Its pathetic.
Plastic Man

Grief porn. And heaven help anyone who refuses to play along.
sheeps

I have had this opinion for a lot of years now.

At the risk of...

Leeds v Newcastle, players wearing a tee shirt pre game with the number 11 on, minutes silence before the game, minutes applause on eleven minutes, the guy [nice one at that we are led to believe] has been gone five years, let him rest.
Dock

sheeps wrote:
I have had this opinion for a lot of years now.

At the risk of...

Leeds v Newcastle, players wearing a tee shirt pre game with the number 11 on, minutes silence before the game, minutes applause on eleven minutes, the guy [nice one at that we are led to believe] has been gone five years, let him rest.


Well said Sheeps. Couldn't agree more.
Late Doors

The initial short grieving I get, within reason, but even then it often gets overblown and the grief takes on its own mass  and gravity that attracts even more, as with Princess Di. It's this memorial anniversary commemorative  grief that takes it way too far. Its manufactured grief, ironically since proper jobs have disappeared shitty little micro industries have cropped up like the grief industry. Grief sells papers, it sells flowers, t shirts, memorabilia, media coverage and illusions of care.

Institutional shithouses like the Daily Mail can pour out torrents of grief pretence that give it the facade of humanity to its millions of cretins who read it whilst simultaneously whipping said cretins into a hateful racist nationwide lynch mob. Grief has become a manipulative tool of social control.

It's also become a tool of provocation. Anyone who doesn't buy into their grief gets the resentful self-righteous outrage of their anger which is what they are really after anyway. It gives them a legitimisation for attack with their "How dare they disrespect us while we are grieving" indignation.

Grief makes people feel good about themselves  as well. It makes them think that despite all the shitty things they do they are still caring people. Like many other things these days it then becomes a competition to see who can grieve the most, be the best griever and if you aren't a good griever you aren't a good person or fit in with the rest. Football clubs epitomise all this. Horrible greedy organisations that have destroyed the family community spirit of the club and the relationship with the fans but will go to huge lengths to give the illusion they haven't.

Not controversial at all sheep, grief is shit and I for one didn't join in a single second of the Gary Speed thing last Sunday. There I've said it, ostracise me.
Grind

I can totally get where you're coming from. There's a difference between genuine respect and forced "respect" that certainly seems to almost undermine and devalue such occasions, rather than the opposite, which you presume was the point?

Not quite as ostensibly "controversial" but I also get mildly irritated by the sheer number of match mascots (surely one is plenty - and even then only from the home team) and, at least for here in the US, the playing of (and usually murdering of by some "D" list celebrity) the Star Spangled Banner before sporting events.

You can't even vaguely suggest anything against the military here without being seen as some sort of commie or terrorist sympathiser.

What were the rainbow captain armbands all about yesterday? I can only guess something to do with LGBTQWTFOMG rights?
Grind

All that said, I might disagree with the Gary Speed thing (I quite liked the eleven minute idea - not sure what else was done = perhaps that was OTT?), especially if the family were there as guests, but we don't always have to totally agree, eh?
Late Doors

Certainly don't have to agree about everything G. I fully expect the vast majority of Leeds fans to disagree with me. I've no idea if his family were at the game but I'm sure they don't expect this constant show of remembrance. I wouldn't. I was as saddened as anybody at his death and I bet there hasn't been a month gone by since that I haven't thought about him and them. I'm sure that if many other people did the same that would be enough for the family. What does piss me off is the constant chanting at every game about it. Its moronic and representative of all I've said before. So when does it stop? and when it does stop is that a declaration of us not caring anymore? Nah, I'm not playing.

As for other lesser known names getting the same treatment like well known fans or semi famous ones like the reporter for Boro when we played them? Its ridiculous, where does it stop? It's all a little part of the undermining of the ordinary where everybody is induced to be aspirational, to be famous or a celeb no matter how trivial. The only thing Andy Warhol ever said that made sense was his 15 minutes of Fame thing. The vast majority of people are normal and ordinary who don't need their 15 minutes or a 2 minute mundane and insincere obituary read out  over a PA by a talking jackass but of course when people start realising this they become less controlled and led. Nope, ill show respect my own way and I'm perfectly happy with that.
sheeps

A minutes applause at Stamford Bridge yesterday for a fan killed in the Croydon tram crash, not all of them, just the Chelsea one.
Frazier Cranium

Made me laugh inappropriately that, Sheeps
Grind

Me too, although I'd deny it in court.
carp

Quite enjoy a good blub. Don't care the excuse. I'd wear a black armband and go on a march if ASDA ran out of lettuce.
Grind

Lettuce pray that never happens then.....
carp

sheeps wrote:
A minutes applause at Stamford Bridge yesterday for a fan killed in the Croydon tram crash, not all of them, just the Chelsea one.


Missed that. 😀.
Frazier Cranium

Grind wrote:
Lettuce pray that never happens then.....


Be cos.
carp

😀
Heyho

It's where you stop isn't it and because of that it should never have been started. Totally agree with the Diana aftermath thingy as well.

But for me that top goal scorer in the 1950's who has just died so black armbands must be warn is only part of the whole cog that includes the people who washed the kit, cleaned the boots, chalked the white lines etc etc. Miss one out and you get upset so best to miss them all out.
Dock

Leeds United would like to send their condolences to Keith Brown's family.

Keith once met David Hughes at a wedding reception twenty years ago.

David Hughes married Joyce Smith who's Brother Alan drove the P2 buses from Concordia Street to Elland Road on match day's.

The club would like to commemorate Keith's association with the club by asking that the ticket-buying doylem's extend their doylemness by standing and clapping for a whole minute to applaud Keith's legacy at the club.

Their will also be commemorative overpriced limited edition Keith Kits in the souvenir shop alongside the other tat that we peddle to the LU faithful.

In 2017 Leeds United in conjunction with Leeds City Council will commission another statue of Mick Hucknall as testament to Keith's genius. The statue will stand in pride of place next to the other one at Elland Road.
sheeps

Dock wrote:
Leeds United would like to send their condolences to Keith Brown's family.

Keith once met David Hughes at a wedding reception twenty years ago.

David Hughes married Joyce Smith who's Brother Alan drove the P2 buses from Concordia Street to Elland Road on match day's.

The club would like to commemorate Keith's association with the club by asking that the ticket-buying doylem's extend their doylemness by standing and clapping for a whole minute to applaud Keith's legacy at the club.

Their will also be commemorative overpriced limited edition Keith Kits in the souvenir shop alongside the other tat that we peddle to the LU faithful.

In 2017 Leeds United in conjunction with Leeds City Council will commission another statue of Mick Hucknall as testament to Keith's genius. The statue will stand in pride of place next to the other one at Elland Road.



Grind

Simply 32Red
Dock

Grind wrote:
Simply 32Red


Ace!
Frazier Cranium

Black armbands for both teams tonight, Liv v Leeds, for the horrendous plane crash involving a football team that almost certainly 99% of Brit football fans have never heard of ever.
Dock

Frazier Cranium wrote:
Black armbands for both teams tonight, Liv v Leeds, for the horrendous plane crash involving a football team that almost certainly 99% of Brit football fans have never heard of ever.


I've never heard of the team before. I feel for the families of the poor sods that have been killed but I think what we need to ascertain is did any of them know Keith Brown? I shall be doing my own one minute applause like a piss-poor Gypsy Kings tribute band.
carp

I heard Sheep's was the first off and walked away with his baggage.
Dock

carp wrote:
I heard Sheep's was the first off and walked away with his baggage.


That would be his usual M.O.

I think we should launch a Help for Halfwits charity in Sheeps name.
Plastic Man

Frazier Cranium wrote:
Black armbands for both teams tonight, Liv v Leeds, for the horrendous plane crash involving a football team that almost certainly 99% of Brit football fans have never heard of ever.


I think we need to know if this this mark of respect is solely for the football team and those directly associated with it, or is it for the other non-football related decedents as well?
carp

Dock wrote:
carp wrote:
I heard Sheep's was the first off and walked away with his baggage.


That would be his usual M.O.

I think we should launch a Help for Halfwits charity in Sheeps name.


Half?
Dock

carp wrote:
Dock wrote:
carp wrote:
I heard Sheep's was the first off and walked away with his baggage.


That would be his usual M.O.

I think we should launch a Help for Halfwits charity in Sheeps name.


Half?


Good point well made.
Frazier Cranium

It was actually a minute's silence, not armbands at all.  Leeds didn't wear them and Liverpool managed to raid the handiman's store-room for some black gaffer tape.

Lucas, L'pool's captain for the night and Brazilian international, possibly appreciated the gesture I'm not sure, which is fair enough really.  I'm not sure about it TBH, I agree that it's too fashionable to mourn so often with these public 'shows' or events.  I'm not trying to offend anyone with my opinion on this - you'll all know that I've had personal bereavements in the last few years which often still feel raw (as have loads of you of course and close friends I definitely know about, the last couple of years have been horrendous for losing loved ones) but I can't bring myself to commemorate the 'death days' like so many do on Facebook.  I don't understand why so many want to do it.
Dock

Frazier Cranium wrote:
It was actually a minute's silence, not armbands at all.  Leeds didn't wear them and Liverpool managed to raid the handiman's store-room for some black gaffer tape.

Lucas, L'pool's captain for the night and Brazilian international, possibly appreciated the gesture I'm not sure, which is fair enough really.  I'm not sure about it TBH, I agree that it's too fashionable to mourn so often with these public 'shows' or events.  I'm not trying to offend anyone with my opinion on this - you'll all know that I've had personal bereavements in the last few years which often still feel raw (as have loads of you of course and close friends I definitely know about, the last couple of years have been horrendous for losing loved ones) but I can't bring myself to commemorate the 'death days' like so many do on Facebook.  I don't understand why so many want to do it.


Good one Codge. Mrs D has told me about those death anniversary alerts on FB. My opinion of FB being purely a vanity project for most people on there galvanises more with each passing day. It's bullshit! Those posts like: 'Thinking about you today' are just false babakaka, because the person who posts it will then click on to a cute pic of a dog or summat. Total knackers!

For the record I've never had an FB account and never will. It's all rhubarb and bullshit if you ask me.....I know you won't.
Late Doors

Oh aye, the caring global football community comes together to grieve and the FA' big six including Liverpool are at the forefront. This when only five years ago Liverpool campaigned vigorously for a larger share of TV Money because they are a big club. When the local grassroots football scene in the city has been hammered with 400% ground rental increases forcing dozens of teams to fold and ten percent less of sixteen year olds to play the game. When only this year the so called "big six" including caring Liverpool have been in secret talks to break away from the Premier league to form their own super league. When only 3 years ago the  caring grieving FA cut all funding from a major child protection review.
Dock

Late Doors wrote:
Oh aye, the caring global football community comes together to grieve and the FA' big six including Liverpool are at the forefront. This when only five years ago Liverpool campaigned vigorously for a larger share of TV Money because they are a big club. When the local grassroots football scene in the city has been hammered with 400% ground rental increases forcing dozens of teams to fold and ten percent less of sixteen year olds to play the game. When only this year the so called "big six" including caring Liverpool have been in secret talks to break away from the Premier league to form their own super league. When only 3 years ago the  caring grieving FA cut all funding from a major child protection review.


That's the modern game for ya. I'm glad I had the strength of conviction and self respect to call it a day on the whole thing. Who'd still go and watch something as immor...oh, er, move along nothing to see here.
Late Doors

I tell yas. when we get to the Prem, stay one season without coming straight back down and im out as well. Well as far as a season ticket and away games go any way. *Waits for it, doesnt hold breath*
sheeps

Players and fans in Spain danced the Flamenco in a one minute tribute to the victims.
Heyho

sheeps wrote:
Players and fans in Spain danced the Flamenco in a one minute tribute to the victims.


It could catch on over here. Maybe the conga around the pitch?
carp

Late Doors wrote:
I tell yas. when we get to the Prem, stay one season without coming straight back down and im out as well. Well as far as a season ticket and away games go any way. *Waits for it, doesnt hold breath*


Been saying that for years. Whether I follow it through is another thing.
Grind

I'm not sure following through is a dignified way to show respect.

* But does it anyway. *

** Now needs to clean up mark of respect. **
carp

Boils kecks
Dock

Grind wrote:
I'm not sure following through is a dignified way to show respect.

* But does it anyway. *

** Now needs to clean up mark of respect. **


"You'll never win anything with SKIDS" (Alan Hansen)
Grind

Dock wrote:
Grind wrote:
I'm not sure following through is a dignified way to show respect.

* But does it anyway. *

** Now needs to clean up mark of respect. **


"You'll never win anything with SKIDS" (Alan Hansen)


Especially if it goes into the valley.
fartcatcher

Never been comfortable with Remembrance Sunday. Are we showing our respect to those who died or celebrating our war 'victories'?
Frazier Cranium

With respect, Farty, if anyone thinks it's celebrating our war victories then they're sad wankers
Dock

Even more controversial, I'm not that enamoured by the Help for Heroes project. I like the work that the charity does but I think it's been hijacked by some nationalist Union Jack worshipping meatheads.
Dock

Frazier Cranium wrote:
With respect, Farty, if anyone thinks it's celebrating our war victories then they're sad wankers


Agreed, but I think those massive poppy's that people have on cars etc are as tacky as fuck. The poppy is supposed to be a subtle tribute.
Late Doors

We are just getting conditioned to grieving and accepting tragedy in preparation for the inevitable War and attacks. Its kinda like creating an acceptance culture like we had in the world wars. Maybe we should be trying to stop it instead
fartcatcher

Other European countries  (and Japan) have much lower key remembrance 'celebrations'.

They also focus equally - or to a greater extent - on civilian deaths, particularly those who died in the holocaust (nuclear or otherwise). I'd be happier if ours did the same. Maybe, as we were never invaded, we have a different perspective of war.
carp

I observe the Remembrance silence and spend the time thinking of all those lost in war.
Cutsyke

I observe the Remembrance silence and spend the time thinking of all those lost in war.

Me too, I've know a few veterans and I'm thankful for what they sacrificed and for the fact I didn't have to go through what they went through.
Dock

Fuck me! No, really, Fuck me! As if her family haven't suffered enough they now have to listen to David Wobble Bonce Gray. Crap!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38194726
carp

Am I the only one worried we have nothing to do a minutes silence / applause for at the Brighton game? Ok, something may crop up in the next 24 hours.

Reg' should have a contingency......Some proposals;

Grind's grass needed cutting but it snowed
Dalek has never been in a roadside car wash
Sheeps' talking watch broke
any other ideas?
Grind

We should have a minute's silence because of the lack of reasons for a minute's silence.

It's what it would have wanted.
carp

Dock

I want a minutes silence to commemorate the passing of Mick Hucknall, and I would like his oranutan-sized arms immortalised through the medium of sculpt.....Oh, What? It's been done already? Ace!
Dock

Grind wrote:
We should have a minute's silence because of the lack of reasons for a minute's silence.

It's what it would have wanted.


A minutes applause to commemorate the minutes silence. Keith Brown always loved clapping! I loved that lad!
Grind

Clap. It only takes a minute.
Forest

Dock wrote:
Grind wrote:
We should have a minute's silence because of the lack of reasons for a minute's silence.

It's what it would have wanted.


A minutes applause to commemorate the minutes silence. Keith Brown always loved clapping! I loved that lad!


Only a minute! The lads in The Keith Brown Stand won't like that!!
Late Doors

excellent point Foz Maybe they alone can carry it on for every game because they loved Keith more than anyone
carp

All Keith aren't we?

*Mrs C not talking cos went to pub too long.....counts as silence*
Dock

Je Suis Keith
Grind

We are the Kaiser Keiths.

* Predicts riot. *
Grind

https://twitter.com/90thMin/statu...d=300984809&nid=244+281088010
Frazier Cranium

Fugging hell that's actually quite disturbing.
sheeps

Five games on MOTD Saturday, four had a minutes silence/applause, all for different reasons.

Fucking stop it yer shallow twats.
Heyho

I hope sense prevails and they dont consider having something for the Turkey bombings at a football game at the weekend before the Reading game.
carp

Grind wrote:
https://twitter.com/90thMin/statu...d=300984809&nid=244+281088010


What a tanker
carp

Heyho wrote:
I hope sense prevails and they dont consider having something for the Turkey bombings at a football game at the weekend before the Reading game.


The arch over Wembley stadium was turned red.
carp

Da Reg massif bust out some crazy new moves for da Crew in Da Keith Brown Stand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7_9Bjzf-_s
carp

Minutes sniggering at Jaap Stam
sheeps

On the same theme, I was flabbergasted to see all the Man. City players wearing a tribute shirt to a bloke who has hurt his knee and was most probs sat at home watching the game.

The sporting world is going fucking mad.

Some funny Twitter responses to it.
Heyho

Southampton v Liverpool - minutes calpping on 20 minutes 'cos of a 20 year old ardent Southampton fan that had died that week. Well actually it was on the 21st minute as they had scored in the 19th and had not settled down again.

So what about that 84 year bloke who dies who had been supporting them since he was 3 or that 35 year old who had been a season ticket holder for 30 years and had their club emblem tattooed on his buttock but who had dropped dead due to anaphylaxis shock brought on due to a dirty needle whilst tattooing him. And certainly do not live to 100 cos you aint going to get a minutes clap then are you. Few clubs experience Fergie time.

Lifes gone crazy. Crazy I tell you

Actually the best idea was at Villas game when they decided to do a minutes applause for ALL fans and people connected to the club who had died during 2016 whilst showing their pictures up on the big screen. That seems a far more sensible way of doing it to be honest. Onus is on you to email the club with a picture of the love done who has died.
Frazier Cranium

Leeds do that at the start of each season but naturally it's not enough for many.
Dock

A serious subject but I predict a minutes applause being sanctioned at St James's Park in honour of Shearer presenting a documentary about such a terrible condition.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39063592
Grind

Watford did the same thing for Graham Taylor yesterday, only for West Ham to score their equaliser during the minute's clapping.

Very sporting, those Hornets.

* Rattles another under his upturned beer glass. For fun. And respect for Graham, obviously.
Late Doors

Well I finally ditched my old clock radio at the tip this week. Heart breaking but I took on board the advice on here. Do I feel any better? do I chuff, just a massive hole where it used to . I expect a full 2.57 minutes dance while this plays

Grind

* Goes to tip. *
Dock

Late Doors wrote:
Well I finally ditched my old clock radio at the tip this week. Heart breaking but I took on board the advice on here. Do I feel any better? do I chuff, just a massive hole where it used to . I expect a full 2.57 minutes dance while this plays



Leaked email:

From: Mrs Doors
To: Kirklees T'Household Refuse Recycling Dept.

STAMP, STAMP, STAMP, STAMP, STAMP ON THE RADIO!

PLEASE!
Late Doors

Hater
carp

My Nexus 7 was having a bit of trouble holding charge. It is 4 years old which in Nexus years is 135. On Friday it was struggling to charge and by Saturday evening I made the decision to let it go. We had a hug and I pulled the plug. It discharged and shut down for the last time with its usual quiet dignity. We went everywhere together for all those years. Gonna chuck the Fecker in the skip now as I bought a new tablet.

7 minutes Googling please
Dock

carp wrote:
My Nexus 7 was having a bit of trouble holding charge. It is 4 years old which in Nexus years is 135. On Friday it was struggling to charge and by Saturday evening I made the decision to let it go. We had a hug and I pulled the plug. It discharged and shut down for the last time with its usual quiet dignity. We went everywhere together for all those years. Gonna chuck the Fecker in the skip now as I bought a new tablet.

7 minutes Googling please


Consider it done. It'll be followed by a tribute through the medium of Ian Curtis dancing by my goodself accompanied by Mick Hucknall on bongos and backing vocals to the tune of 'On my Radio' by The Selector.

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