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Dock

2012 Grand National (MCR)

Bit of a pretend sweepstake for Reggies (pretend as in there's no prize money n' that). Just post up your choice. Shouldn't be too much change to the runners and riders on this card from the Racing Post website. I'm off with West End Rocker E/W.

http://www.racingpost.com/horses2...mp;r_date=2012-04-14#raceTabs=sc_
Forest

Shakalakaboomboom. I know nowt about the geegees.
Dock

Forest wrote:
Shakalakaboomboom. I know nowt about the geegees.


You don't have to know owt for the national. Anything can happen. The form book goes out of the window with this race.
Late Doors

Becauseicouldntsee

Not backing in partly in protest at the incredible surge in gambling outlets these days, it is a scandal . What has it come to when gambling is a massive growth industry along with porn and sleaze whilst actually making things, education, health and Art is under attack from all angles. Err yes, quite back to the gee gees  

Would back it at the track though. Seems a good bet with a great run last  time out i think and the kind of form that makes me risk a tanner or two on it
Kevin Khatchadourian

2 more horses put down today. I don't follow the horses these day, my gambling days are over....I'm not a horse lover but this seems a high price to me, as the trend is year on year?
fartcatcher

me and Blott both picked the winner.

Sad about the now customary equine fatalities. I don't think jumping is cruel to horses, they seem to enjoy it. However, if someone explained the risks to them, they might think twice about it.
Kevin Khatchadourian

Is a naysayer a person that can talk Horse?
Grind

fartcatcher wrote:
me and Blott both picked the winner.

Sad about the now customary equine fatalities. I don't think jumping is cruel to horses, they seem to enjoy it. However, if someone explained the risks to them, they might think twice about it.


Horse jumping is a risky business: the value of your portfolio may go up and down.
Late Doors

The world of Football will unite this weekend for a minutes applause to remember Cheltenham, Gold Cup Winner Synchronised who died following the Grand National last Saturday. It's what he would have wanted said a stable spokesperson, he was never a horse to dwell on morbidity and would prefer his life celebrated rather than his death mourned.

A tweeter from the North East is being pursued by the Police and indeed the whole nation when he tweeted yesterday that the glue factory industry along with the French Burger trade would be celebrating with particular gusto.  

The Mail on Sunday will be issuing a hundred page special this weekend marking the sad occasion and publishers ProMourn will be rushing the Autobiography Four Legs good two bad out in time for Christmas. Sadly none of them will be signed
Dock

Ace! Made me chuckle that. 10/10

Of course its not true as the racing fraternity hasn't taken to the Diana-influenced public displays of crying like bitches at the drop of a hat like football fans have. I frankly thought it was pathetic how there was a minutes round of applause at the beginning of every football match the week following Muamba collapsing. Lets have a bit of a reality check here. He collapsed, he didn't make the blind see. Why was everybody clapping? I wouldn't wish what happened to him on anybody but come on. Anyway, as the season ends I'm sure there will be plenty of shots of fans of various clubs who are getting relegated sat in empty terraces draped in flags and crying and waiting for their pictures to be taken. Get a fucking grip Cretins. Its a game FFS. Grow up or alternatively find something real to worry about!

As for the two horses dying in the National, its awful as has already been stated on here but again I reiterate as an animal lover myself what I have said before on Reg. These horses were born and bred to race. If it wasn't for racing they wouldn't be here. Of course after the race as happens every year all the armchair experts who know nothing about racing come out of the woodwork and start talking bollocks about it should be banned. They will never ban the Grand National. They have been racing horses in Britain and Ireland for over four hundred years and nothing has stopped it yet and nothing ever will. Racing fans just laugh at all the yearly furore about the National because they know that all the outrage is from people who have never visited a racecourse, let alone a trainers yard. Racing is one of the best policed of all competitive sports.

As for the policing of football I see recently that balls that go over the line can be ruled as not going over the line and balls that don't go over the line can be ruled as going over the line????? Fucking weird carry on if you ask me.
Seal

I picked the winner cos I heard a 5 minute bit on 5 Live about the last time a grey horse won it. Obviously I didn't place a bet on it, oh no, that would clearly have been a waste of money in such a chaotic and random race.  
Grind

I would've placed some bets, but I had nagging doubts.

* Almost works, eh?
Dock

Grind wrote:
I would've placed some bets, but I had nagging doubts.

* Almost works, eh?


Almost.

T'were a great race though. Especially the photo finish. Always great when there is a photo finish in any race. My horse fell at the second fence on the first circuit but I enjoyed the race, especially seeing Katie Walsh get third place on the brill Seabass. Best placing for a female jockey in the National. Go Katie!!!!

Grind

Third place wins you a sly one up the trumper and a horse's head then?
Dock

Grind wrote:
Third place wins you a sly one up the trumper and a horse's head then?


Re: Trumper. Thats her Dad stood behind her you sicko!
Grind

Dock wrote:
Grind wrote:
Third place wins you a sly one up the trumper and a horse's head then?


Re: Trumper. Thats her Dad stood behind her you sicko!


Lucky she didn't place higher then.  
Kevin Khatchadourian

I thought he meant the man behind the horse.
grunt

Dock wrote:


As for the two horses dying in the National, its awful as has already been stated on here but again I reiterate as an animal lover myself what I have said before on Reg. These horses were born and bred to race. If it wasn't for racing they wouldn't be here. Of course after the race as happens every year all the armchair experts who know nothing about racing come out of the woodwork and start talking bollocks about it should be banned. They will never ban the Grand National. They have been racing horses in Britain and Ireland for over four hundred years and nothing has stopped it yet and nothing ever will. Racing fans just laugh at all the yearly furore about the National because they know that all the outrage is from people who have never visited a racecourse, let alone a trainers yard. Racing is one of the best policed of all competitive sports.



Why not breed them so they don't have twiglets for legs which crumble under the weight of their big muscular bods (plus little chap in saddle). There is definitely stuff that can be done eg Beechers, number of horses, fatter legs, that could reduce the danger. The trouble is it's a thrilling race, someone on the radio was saying it's like Wacky Races for horses. But if I look past that, I have trouble justifying it. So much so that I put my winnings towards having a bit more money.
Grind

Ooh, Twiglets. Is it too late to put another couple down as they definitely look a bit poorly to me?

The problem seems to be the jumpy things and the going too fast bit.

After some serious thought, they should put up and down ramps over the jumps and then make the horses ride pillion to the jockeys on a Honda CB50J (mine only went faster than 33mph if I was going down hill with the clutch in).

If we still want excitement, we could make the ramps narrow and blindfold the jockeys.
Grind

Mobility scooter racing. I'd watch that.
grunt

Yes, the problem is they are built for speed, and not for falling over and getting up again.

Not mobility scooters, horses.
Grind

Grind wrote:
Mobility scooter racing. I'd watch that.


You could be much less alarmed when there's a pile-up too.

* No mobility scooters were harmed in the creation of this posting
Grind

Relatedly unrelated.

Did anyone notice how fast the wheelchair race was run in the Boston marathon on Monday? Crikey!
Dock

I'm voting for Grunter and Grinder to be joint president of the British Horseracing Authority. Some great ideas coming through.
Grind

If their legs really taste like Twiglets, maybe we could cut out the short-arsed middleman and simply put suitably modified (and really rather nommy) horses into the mobility scooters.

If we charge the batteries enough, it could be called hearse racing.
Grind

Hearse racing would also be ace. If the coffin falls out the back, you get disqualified.

If it somehow falls out of the front, you can always enter the next race.
Grind

Chariots of Fire could be the premium race for the top urners.

* I need to do something else, don't I?
Grind

fartcatcher

I'm sure Dock will be able to answer this.

I can't understand how they get their names. Neptune Collonges ffs.

I also think there should be a limit on the number of syllables in a horses name for the sake of the commentators.

There was one horse called Shackalackaboomboom.
It's unnecessary. By the time poor Jim McGrath had spat that one out they'd all jumped another fence.
Grind

Well, not all of them, sadly.
Dock

fartcatcher wrote:
I'm sure Dock will be able to answer this.

I can't understand how they get their names. Neptune Collonges ffs.

I also think there should be a limit on the number of syllables in a horses name for the sake of the commentators.

There was one horse called Shackalackaboomboom.
It's unnecessary. By the time poor Jim McGrath had spat that one out they'd all jumped another fence.


The names can come from anywhere FC. The only rule I know of is that a name of a racehorse, in Britain at least, can only be eighteen characters long including spaces. Re: Shakalakaboomboom (you added an extra c ) just scrapes in at seventeen. Many racehorses can be owned by syndicates so the name could be connected to some injoke that the syndicate members know of. But as I mentioned the name could come from any source.

In the case of a lot of the horses that Aidan O' Brien trains at the Coolmore Stud in Co. Tipperary, apparently Sue Magnier the wife of one of the stud operations' owners John Magnier picks the names. A lot of the names she plumps for are people from history: George Bernard Shaw, Steinbeck, Galileo etc. Of course the arab names are from the sheikhs who have a huge numbers of horses based in Britain and Ireland.

The names are a great part of racing for me. There is some great word play involved. The more exotic or strange the better in my opinion. Some of my recent faves are Zenyatta, Frankel (which was named in tribute to the famous American equestrian trainer Bobby Frankel), and Dancing Rain.
Grind

I miss the days when horses had proper names like Ted, Bob, Brian and Wilbur and they used to carry on running even with three broken legs and an unconscious jockey dangling out of their stirrups.

Them was proper horses and not the pansy Twigletarsebiscuit types you see poncing around their own rings these days.
Dock

Grind wrote:
I miss the days when horses had proper names like Ted, Bob, Brian and Wilbur and they used to carry on running even with three broken legs and an unconscious jockey dangling out of their stirrups.

Them was proper horses and not the pansy Twigletarsebiscuit types you see poncing around their own rings these days.


Me and thee should buy a horse. We could call it Latin Pleb Rocket.
Grind

Too late, I've already bought MyLittleHunkaHorse.

Grind

He's the lovepony of

GeeGeeGaga



& EddieScissorHoofs

Dock

*worries about Grind*
Grind

I typed in "My little pony" and ended up with photos of horses.

Not what I was expecting.  

* You're right to be worried.  
wotsfortea

I hate the grand national and I don't understand how anyone who calls themselves an animal lover can watch it. I would put the national on my hate list of other so called sports as fox hunting and shooting. "the horses were bred to race" and what were you bred to do? "the horses love running and jumping" you would run if some bloke on your back was leathering you with a stick.
The grand national is as bad as bullfighting,these beautiful animals have had their freedom taken away at birth and then beaten and ridden to death for somebody to win a few quid and for old slappers to get tarted up, get pissed and fall about with their baps out and showing all there arses.
If you would like to see some voluntary running put the london marathon on this weekend or if you like running and jumping try flamborough.
Dock

wotsfortea wrote:
I hate the grand national and I don't understand how anyone who calls themselves an animal lover can watch it. I would put the national on my hate list of other so called sports as fox hunting and shooting. "the horses were bred to race" and what were you bred to do? "the horses love running and jumping" you would run if some bloke on your back was leathering you with a stick.
The grand national is as bad as bullfighting,these beautiful animals have had their freedom taken away at birth and then beaten and ridden to death for somebody to win a few quid and for old slappers to get tarted up, get pissed and fall about with their baps out and showing all there arses.
If you would like to see some voluntary running put the london marathon on this weekend or if you like running and jumping try flamborough.


See. This what I'm on about. You haven't a clue what you are talking about. Re: Freedom taken away at birth. They wouldn't be born without being bred for racing you silly woman. Would you class it as disgusting that chickens, cows, and lambs are bred in their hundreds of thousands just so you have summat to eat on a Sunday? No, thought not. As for being hit with a stick, its actually a rubber sprung foam-padded whip. A hit from which a human hand can take without marking, nevermind half a ton of horses backside. Speaking of backsides, thanks for talking out of yours. Now go away!
Dock

wotsfortea wrote:
I hate the grand national and I don't understand how anyone who calls themselves an animal lover can watch it. I would put the national on my hate list of other so called sports as fox hunting and shooting. "the horses were bred to race" and what were you bred to do? "the horses love running and jumping" you would run if some bloke on your back was leathering you with a stick.
The grand national is as bad as bullfighting,these beautiful animals have had their freedom taken away at birth and then beaten and ridden to death for somebody to win a few quid and for old slappers to get tarted up, get pissed and fall about with their baps out and showing all there arses.
If you would like to see some voluntary running put the london marathon on this weekend or if you like running and jumping try flamborough.


Re: "old slappers to get tarted up, get pissed and fall about with their baps out and showing all there arses."

Not every racecourse is like Pontefract's.
Grind

This one could run and run.
wotsfortea

Dock wrote:
wotsfortea wrote:
I hate the grand national and I don't understand how anyone who calls themselves an animal lover can watch it. I would put the national on my hate list of other so called sports as fox hunting and shooting. "the horses were bred to race" and what were you bred to do? "the horses love running and jumping" you would run if some bloke on your back was leathering you with a stick.
The grand national is as bad as bullfighting,these beautiful animals have had their freedom taken away at birth and then beaten and ridden to death for somebody to win a few quid and for old slappers to get tarted up, get pissed and fall about with their baps out and showing all there arses.
If you would like to see some voluntary running put the london marathon on this weekend or if you like running and jumping try flamborough.


See. This what I'm on about. Re: Freedom taken away at birth. They wouldn't be born without being bred for racing you silly woman. Would you class it as disgusting that chickens, cows, and lambs are bred in their hundreds of thousands just so you have summat to eat on a Sunday? No, thought not. As for being hit with a stick, its actually a rubber sprung foam-padded whip. A hit from which a human hand can take without marking, nevermind half a ton of horses backside. Speaking of backsides, thanks for talking out of yours. Now go away!
Why would you want to hit any animal, sprung foam padded whip or not the animal picks up on the aggression from the rider whether it hurts or not. I don't suppose it hurts when the animals legs, back and neck are shattered and the horse lays writhing in pain whilst the vet loads up ready to put the animal out of his misery, but that's alright that's what he was bred for.
Dock have some respect for something other than yourself.
wotsfortea

Dock wrote:
wotsfortea wrote:
I hate the grand national and I don't understand how anyone who calls themselves an animal lover can watch it. I would put the national on my hate list of other so called sports as fox hunting and shooting. "the horses were bred to race" and what were you bred to do? "the horses love running and jumping" you would run if some bloke on your back was leathering you with a stick.
The grand national is as bad as bullfighting,these beautiful animals have had their freedom taken away at birth and then beaten and ridden to death for somebody to win a few quid and for old slappers to get tarted up, get pissed and fall about with their baps out and showing all there arses.
If you would like to see some voluntary running put the london marathon on this weekend or if you like running and jumping try flamborough.


Re: "old slappers to get tarted up, get pissed and fall about with their baps out and showing all there arses."

Not every racecourse is like Pontefract's.
I wouldn't know whether "old slappers" frequented pontefract racecourse or not:-
1.I am not a slapper.
2.I would sooner stick pins in my eyes than watch any horse racing event, preferring however to watch proper sport.
Oh and I'm vegetarian as well.
Kevin Khatchadourian

wotsfortea wrote:
you would run if some bloke on your back was leathering you with a stick.


Shouldn't this be in the Archbishop Of Canterbury thread?
grunt

Kevin Khatchadourian wrote:
wotsfortea wrote:
you would run if some bloke on your back was leathering you with a stick.


Shouldn't this be in the Archbishop Of Canterbury thread?


grunt

I think i agree with you wtf, but if you take that argument on, how do you feel about the breeding and enslavement of dogs for our own personal entertainment?
Forest

grunt wrote:
I think i agree with you wtf, but if you take that argument on, how do you feel about the breeding and enslavement of dogs for our own personal entertainment?


What are you doing with these dogs?
grunt

Forest wrote:
grunt wrote:
I think i agree with you wtf, but if you take that argument on, how do you feel about the breeding and enslavement of dogs for our own personal entertainment?


What are you doing with these dogs?


Never you mind, it's all above board. They're bred for it anyway.
Forest

grunt wrote:
Forest wrote:
grunt wrote:
I think i agree with you wtf, but if you take that argument on, how do you feel about the breeding and enslavement of dogs for our own personal entertainment?


What are you doing with these dogs?


Never you mind, it's all above board. They're bred for it anyway.


Are you dressing them up? Cos if you are its ok, they love it.
grunt

Forest wrote:
grunt wrote:
Forest wrote:
grunt wrote:
I think i agree with you wtf, but if you take that argument on, how do you feel about the breeding and enslavement of dogs for our own personal entertainment?


What are you doing with these dogs?


Never you mind, it's all above board. They're bred for it anyway.


Are you dressing them up? Cos if you are its ok, they love it.


I know it's ok cos people in Britain and Ireland have been dressing up dogs for the last 400 years.
Forest

grunt wrote:
Forest wrote:
grunt wrote:
Forest wrote:
grunt wrote:
I think i agree with you wtf, but if you take that argument on, how do you feel about the breeding and enslavement of dogs for our own personal entertainment?


What are you doing with these dogs?


Never you mind, it's all above board. They're bred for it anyway.


Are you dressing them up? Cos if you are its ok, they love it.


I know it's ok cos people in Britain and Ireland have been dressing up dogs for the last 400 years.


What?!! In little Tutus?
Grind

This is one I'm not entirely sure on as a line in the sand could be drawn almost anywhere and there would still be people either side of it.

I don't know anywhere near enough about horse racing to know how well (or otherwise) the horses (and, for that matter, the jockeys) are treated.

Dock certainly has a point about their very existence being to race and, providing they are also retired (or never run) in a humane manner, then I don't think I have a huge problem with it.

How about spoiled little brats and their Gymkhana pony nonsense?

I was also thinking similar thoughts to Grunt when I was in the garden playing ball and frisbee with my dogs just now. Obviously I'm imposing my will upon them to a greater or lesser extent and, although I think they mostly enjoy what I do with them (especially that thing with the rubbery stick we call "Hunt the Catholic"), I do wonder if people will come to think that the keeping of pets is barbaric in future years.

Dog racing is all but not-existant in this part of the world these days because it is regarded as cruel (kudos to Dock for taking on an ex-runner). There are obvious similarities with horse racing. Or are there?

Tricky.

I suppose horse racing (Aintree in particular) could be modified further, or is that not the route to take since there's still a tricky metaphorical moral Beecher's brook to negotiate, however it is configured?

* If you want to see real full-on stupid (barely) domesticated animal abuse, just get married to Mrs Grind.
Grind

wotsfortea

Grind wrote:
That fella at the back looks like jack straw.
Grind

The old bloke on the left appears to be carrying a handbag.

Is it wrong to race old people, 'cos I think it might be fun to watch?

* Over a few weeks, obviously
bearing

Horses love to run and jump, look at how the buggers carry on once they've lost their mounts.

I was watching an earlier race from Aintree, Sprinter Sacre won with Nicky Henderson on board and that horse was having an absolute ball, he'd have happily carried on running down the M6 towards Uttoxeter given half a chance.

I'm not getting into the hunting argument....
bearing

Just out of interest WTF, what eggs do you eat?

Do you eat only British meat?

Do you have take aways?

Do you take medication when you're ill?

Is your make up 'animal friendly'?
Grind

That "Bastards to Beasts" brand never really took off though, did it?

I don't strongly object to hunting if the animals involved are killed cleanly, aren't otherwise endangered (or juvenile/pregnant) and are at the very least eaten by the hunter.

Unfortunately, the hunters around these parts (which seems to be pretty much everyone except me) shoot at anything that moves.

I have to be very wary when out walking the dogs.
Kevin Khatchadourian

bearing wrote:
Just out of interest WTF, what eggs do you eat?

Do you eat only British meat?

Do you have take aways?

Do you take medication when you're ill?

Is your make up 'animal friendly'?



Oooh! I like quizzes.....No Googling!
Grind

Not even Gluten-free Googling.
fartcatcher

Always found horses a bit shifty looking. I think it's because they have their eyes in the side of their head, they can't look straight at you. They have to look at you a bit quizzically.

I was once a hunt saboteur. I believed in what I was doing, but also liked having fights with the toffs from Wetherby.

For the record, I don't think horse racing is as bad as show jumping or three day eventing, where horses are having to do things that 'just aren't natural'.
Grind

fartcatcher wrote:
Always found horses a bit shifty looking. I think it's because they have their eyes in the side of their head, they can't look straight at you. They have to look at you a bit quizzically.

I was once a hunt saboteur. I believed in what I was doing, but also liked having fights with the toffs from Wetherby.

For the record, I don't think horse racing is as bad as show jumping or three day eventing, where horses are having to do things that 'just aren't natural'.


True, most horses really can't be arsed after the end of the second day.
fartcatcher

probably pissed off after the dressage. How can trying to make a horse tap dance be a sport?
Forest

fartcatcher wrote:
probably pissed off after the dressage. How can trying to make a horse tap dance be a sport?


Teaching Hoofers to hoof? Sounds easy.
wotsfortea

Q

bearing wrote:
Just out of interest WTF, what eggs do you eat?

Do you eat only British meat?

Do you have take aways?

Do you take medication when you're ill?

Is your make up 'animal friendly'?


I always buy free range eggs, I like the yolks nearly orange.
I don't need to wear make-up.
I only take medicine when I'm dying, I do like plant and herbal remedies.
The meat that's supplied to the home is off a small holding in somerset.
Take aways every couple of month.

And you are missing the point. I don't mind horses running, in fact I'm not even a horsey person, the point is how many have died in the stupid event and died in agony I can't watch this event on tv it makes me fell sick, the jumps are not necessary and when all that weight comes crashing to the floor the animal must go through bloody he'll. You can't possibly compare that to animal being slaughtered for meat.
How does keeping dogs compare to horse racing, mine go to the field and are allowed to run in what ever direction they want and keep going if they chose to.
As for hunting people who enjoy seeing something blown to bits are mentally
unbalanced, vermin or not. I would challenge anyone who enjoys hunting to come and see the damage caused when it goes wrong and when you get dick heads walking through the country side with 12 bore shotguns and end Up destroying children's lives, the same way they did at this house.
Grind

Wots makes more than valid observations - and I also suspect we all are much closer in agreement than it might at first appear on here.

I daren't even ask about her last sentence.  
wotsfortea

Grind wrote:
Wots makes more than valid observations - and I also suspect we all are much closer in agreement than it might at first appear on here.

I daren't even ask about her last sentence.  
I Thought sheep had already mentioned it.
Daughter 2 was shot whilst out walking in woodland on a public footpath with her friends, sisters,me and the friends mum. She got 30 slugs her friend 5 from a 12  bore shotgun.
5 operations, 7 years under a psychologist, ruined education and a 10 year legal battle. All for sport.
bearing

There's plenty of animals that die in fear and pain so we can eat.
Grind

wotsfortea wrote:
Grind wrote:
Wots makes more than valid observations - and I also suspect we all are much closer in agreement than it might at first appear on here.

I daren't even ask about her last sentence.  
I Thought sheep had already mentioned it.
Daughter 2 was shot whilst out walking in woodland on a public footpath with her friends, sisters,me and the friends mum. She got 30 slugs her friend 5 from a 12  bore shotgun.
5 operations, 7 years under a psychologist, ruined education and a 10 year legal battle. All for sport.


Crikey. That would colour my views somewhat too.    
Dock

Grind wrote:
wotsfortea wrote:
Grind wrote:
Wots makes more than valid observations - and I also suspect we all are much closer in agreement than it might at first appear on here.

I daren't even ask about her last sentence.  
I Thought sheep had already mentioned it.
Daughter 2 was shot whilst out walking in woodland on a public footpath with her friends, sisters,me and the friends mum. She got 30 slugs her friend 5 from a 12  bore shotgun.
5 operations, 7 years under a psychologist, ruined education and a 10 year legal battle. All for sport.


Crikey. That would colour my views somewhat too.    


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway back on topic:

I can't be arsed to get into an internet squabble with wft. I love animals and I love racing and that opinion certainly won't be changed by Ill informed rantings from some silly woman who doesn't know shit from clay, and would improve this forum greatly by naffing off and leaving the posting to her husband.
bearing

Look at this wondrous bowl I've created on the potters wheel.......



What do you mean it stinks of crap?
fartcatcher

We are a nation of animal lovers. Not literally. Well not in my case.
Late Doors

This bloke can tell you all about their flimsy delicate legs



kinda asking for it like
Seal

Dock wrote:
Grind wrote:
wotsfortea wrote:
Grind wrote:
Wots makes more than valid observations - and I also suspect we all are much closer in agreement than it might at first appear on here.

I daren't even ask about her last sentence.  
I Thought sheep had already mentioned it.
Daughter 2 was shot whilst out walking in woodland on a public footpath with her friends, sisters,me and the friends mum. She got 30 slugs her friend 5 from a 12  bore shotgun.
5 operations, 7 years under a psychologist, ruined education and a 10 year legal battle. All for sport.


Crikey. That would colour my views somewhat too.    


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway back on topic:

I can't be arsed to get into an internet squabble with wft. I love animals and I love racing and that opinion certainly won't be changed by Ill informed rantings from some silly woman who doesn't know shit from clay, and would improve this forum greatly by naffing off and leaving the posting to her husband.



Wow, that's really unpleasant and uncalled for.
Dock

Seal wrote:
Dock wrote:
Grind wrote:
wotsfortea wrote:
Grind wrote:
Wots makes more than valid observations - and I also suspect we all are much closer in agreement than it might at first appear on here.

I daren't even ask about her last sentence.  
I Thought sheep had already mentioned it.
Daughter 2 was shot whilst out walking in woodland on a public footpath with her friends, sisters,me and the friends mum. She got 30 slugs her friend 5 from a 12  bore shotgun.
5 operations, 7 years under a psychologist, ruined education and a 10 year legal battle. All for sport.


Crikey. That would colour my views somewhat too.    


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway back on topic:

I can't be arsed to get into an internet squabble with wft. I love animals and I love racing and that opinion certainly won't be changed by Ill informed rantings from some silly woman who doesn't know shit from clay, and would improve this forum greatly by naffing off and leaving the posting to her husband.



Wow, that's really unpleasant and uncalled for.


What, and her telling me to jump off a cliff at Flamborough isn't? Bollocks to this.
Kevin Khatchadourian

My personnal view (and I speak with little knowledge) is that perhaps some of the fences at The National may be too challenging, particularly given the size of field. Horses like to run and jump, and The National is a national treasure.

People get crushed at football matches, footballers have heart attacks, greyhounds and horses go lame. I don't subscribe to the choice argument....The animals in sport are extremely well looked after in the main, and with no expense spared for their wellbeing.

If we are going to have a full debate on cruelty and responsibility then let's include ourselves - as consumers....Cheap electronics, cheap clothing, shoes, accessories, people trafficking and consumption of cheap and unfairly produced products such as tea, coffee and chocolate.

Sure I feel sorry for the horses killed in The National....But I have bigger concerns about the way I live my own life to be honest.
Dock

Kevin Khatchadourian wrote:
My personnal view (and I speak with little knowledge) is that perhaps some of the fences at The National may be too challenging, particularly given the size of field. Horses like to run and jump, and The National is a national treasure.

People get crushed at football matches, footballers have heart attacks, greyhounds and horses go lame. I don't subscribe to the choice argument....The animals in sport are extremely well looked after in the main, and with no expense spared for their wellbeing.

If we are going to have a full debate on cruelty and responsibility then let's include ourselves - as consumers....Cheap electronics, cheap clothing, shoes, accessories, people trafficking and consumption of cheap and unfairly produced products such as tea, coffee and chocolate.

Sure I feel sorry for the horses killed in The National....But I have bigger concerns about the way I live my own life to be honest.


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Horses can break a leg when frolicking in a paddock. Not just when they are jumping.
wotsfortea

Dock wrote:
Grind wrote:
wotsfortea wrote:
Grind wrote:
Wots makes more than valid observations - and I also suspect we all are much closer in agreement than it might at first appear on here.

I daren't even ask about her last sentence.  
I Thought sheep had already mentioned it.
Daughter 2 was shot whilst out walking in woodland on a public footpath with her friends, sisters,me and the friends mum. She got 30 slugs her friend 5 from a 12  bore shotgun.
5 operations, 7 years under a psychologist, ruined education and a 10 year legal battle. All for sport.


Crikey. That would colour my views somewhat too.    


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway back on topic:

I can't be arsed to get into an internet squabble with wft. I love animals and I love racing and that opinion certainly won't be changed by Ill informed rantings from some silly woman who doesn't know shit from clay, and would improve this forum greatly by naffing off and leaving the posting to her husband.


Just because I have a different opinion to you, you don't like it and rather than using an Internet forum to tell me to naff off, how about growing a pair and saying it to my face.
And be forewarned I've taken on bigger threats than you before now.
Dock

wotsfortea wrote:
Dock wrote:
Grind wrote:
wotsfortea wrote:
Grind wrote:
Wots makes more than valid observations - and I also suspect we all are much closer in agreement than it might at first appear on here.

I daren't even ask about her last sentence.  
I Thought sheep had already mentioned it.
Daughter 2 was shot whilst out walking in woodland on a public footpath with her friends, sisters,me and the friends mum. She got 30 slugs her friend 5 from a 12  bore shotgun.
5 operations, 7 years under a psychologist, ruined education and a 10 year legal battle. All for sport.


Crikey. That would colour my views somewhat too.    


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway back on topic:

I can't be arsed to get into an internet squabble with wft. I love animals and I love racing and that opinion certainly won't be changed by Ill informed rantings from some silly woman who doesn't know shit from clay, and would improve this forum greatly by naffing off and leaving the posting to her husband.


Just because I have a different opinion to you, you don't like it and rather than using an Internet forum to tell me to naff off, how about growing a pair and saying it to my face.
And be forewarned I've taken on bigger threats than you before now.


This has got too bizarre. Time Out for Docko. I can't read this crap anymore. I really can't. See you all in a few weeks.
Grind

Noooooooooo!
Kevin Khatchadourian

Oh dear....That thread didn't turn out so well.  

*who is holding the clip board?*
grunt

Tarts.
Seal

Dock wrote:
Seal wrote:

Wow, that's really unpleasant and uncalled for.


What, and her telling me to jump off a cliff at Flamborough isn't? Bollocks to this.



Well, I didn't see that. That was also uncalled for of course.

Any time anyone attacks the person rather than the argument it's a sign that things are getting over heated.  Maybe also a sign that one (or even two) should walk away from it perhaps.
wotsfortea

Seal wrote:
Dock wrote:
Seal wrote:

Wow, that's really unpleasant and uncalled for.


What, and her telling me to jump off a cliff at Flamborough isn't? Bollocks to this.



Well, I didn't see that. That was also uncalled for of course.

Any time anyone attacks the person rather than the argument it's a sign that things are getting over heated.  Maybe also a sign that one (or even two) should walk away from it perhaps.
At what point did I tell anyone to jump off a cliff?
I didn't.
I said if you read again, if you want to see running watch the London
marathon, another national treasure to charities.
I then said if you like running and jumping then try flamborough which  was a reference to base jumping.
At no point have I said dock jump off a cliff at flamborough, have I?
Seal

wotsfortea wrote:
Seal wrote:
Dock wrote:
Seal wrote:

Wow, that's really unpleasant and uncalled for.


What, and her telling me to jump off a cliff at Flamborough isn't? Bollocks to this.



Well, I didn't see that. That was also uncalled for of course.

Any time anyone attacks the person rather than the argument it's a sign that things are getting over heated.  Maybe also a sign that one (or even two) should walk away from it perhaps.
At what point did I tell anyone to jump off a cliff?
I didn't.
I said if you read again, if you want to see running watch the London
marathon, another national treasure to charities.
I then said if you like running and jumping then try flamborough which  was a reference to base jumping.
At no point have I said dock jump off a cliff at flamborough, have I?


Read it again you say? That would imply I read it before  

No you haven't....  In my defence I didn't know Flamborough was a race course  

Right, my work here is done. I'm off to sort out that Afghanistan thing.
sheeps

Oh dear.
grunt

sheeps wrote:
Oh dear.


Can't you do something? Get them to behave.
bearing

Is ferret racing okay?
Grind

Only if they're being ridden by monkeys.
synchronised

Well that was fun  
Ginger_Winkle

Food for thought...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/oct/01/horseracing.sport
Seal

Ginger_Winkle wrote:
Food for thought...




Not the best phrase to use in the circumstances.
Dock

Some recent figures that have been researched in a timely fashion before this years Upcoming Grand National for your perusal: Out of every thousand horses that run in jumps races in Britain, only four die.

Aintree have done even more with regard to horses safety. I won't be going to Aintree on National Day but I will be going on the first day of the three day Grand National Festival which is usually the best days racing of the three and is a follow on from Cheltenham with all the best horses from there travelling up to Aintree. Should be good!
grunt

Dock wrote:
Some recent figures that have been researched in a timely fashion before this years Upcoming Grand National for your perusal: Out of every thousand horses that run in jumps races in Britain, only four die.



Thoroughbred pie - yum.
grunt

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/oct/01/horseracing.sport
Late Doors

Only 4 ?
when i'm up in front of the beak for  unspeakable crimes against inhumanity despite  mitigating circumstances of temporary mid life crisis madness i do not want you defending me, *fact*  
Dock

Late Doors wrote:
Only 4 ?
when i'm up in front of the beak for  unspeakable crimes against inhumanity despite  mitigating circumstances of temporary mid life crisis madness i do not want you defending me, *fact*  


So you think four is too many? How many cattle, chickens, and lambs get slaughtered every day just so people can eat them?  Bet it's more than four. Do you see the point I was making?
wotsfortea

Dock wrote:
Late Doors wrote:
Only 4 ?
when i'm up in front of the beak for  unspeakable crimes against inhumanity despite  mitigating circumstances of temporary mid life crisis madness i do not want you defending me, *fact*  


So you think four is too many? How many cattle, chickens, and lambs get slaughtered every day just so people can eat them?  Bet it's more than four. Do you see the point I was making?


No.
Dock

wotsfortea wrote:
Dock wrote:
Late Doors wrote:
Only 4 ?
when i'm up in front of the beak for  unspeakable crimes against inhumanity despite  mitigating circumstances of temporary mid life crisis madness i do not want you defending me, *fact*  


So you think four is too many? How many cattle, chickens, and lambs get slaughtered every day just so people can eat them?  Bet it's more than four. Do you see the point I was making?


No.


Go away hag! I wouldn't even discuss the colour of orange juice with you.
Late Doors

Course i can see the point but i can also see how four would be four too many for some people. It comes down to how acceptable you think it is that four out of every thousand die for the sake of a sport enjoyed, nay loved by millions of people, provides a lifestyle and employment for hundreds of thousands and a terrific if perhaps shortened existence for thousands of horses they wouldn't have had otherwise. It's a harsh choice but to me that is what it comes down to and to me horse racing and that statistic are acceptable just as fishing and all those other "sports"  that involve animals are. There are blurred lines to the debate of course and personal choices to be made and I'm also aware that other people might think different.

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