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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:05 pm    Post subject: Final Whistle  Reply with quote

Well, its been coming for a few years now. If I did a forensic check it probably started after I gave up my Kop season ticket at LU when it went all seating, and has ended with all the talk of ridiculous closed season transfer prices recently. I have witnessed as season follows season throughout every division in the last ten years:

# An increase in unimportant matches played by teams.

# A national side that are too daft to laugh at, and were a disgrace in the last world cup.

# A big price increase for match tickets (when in Europe many clubs charge less and sometimes half the price that fans over here get charged).

# More frequent movement of players between clubs, to the point where I canít keep up with transfers.

# A massive number of loan players hopping from club to club.

# †Managers/boards seeming to enjoy the option of rolling contracts.

# †A virus-like apathy amongst players who in many cases, and in many matches that I have watched at all levels, donít really seem that bothered about giving their all to playing football and winning.

# The scary increase in clubs getting rid of the traditional names of their grounds in order to sell the naming rights to a private company.

The aforementioned points are applicable to every team in every division including our so-called ďmost competitive top flight in the worldĒ teams as well.


I no longer understand what football fans are supposed to be loyal to?

Is it the players? The majority of which would leave the club they are currently at for an extra £1000 a month. Many of you say ďGood luck to them if they can get the moneyĒ but that for me that is the crux of the matter. Before the silly pay packets came along there wasnít half as much movement of players.

Is it the board? Who even at a club like LU that gets big attendances, fail to put money back into buying players and building youth programmes.

Some may say ďWell, that the modern game isnít itĒ Well hereís the news, fuck the modern game. Itís shit.

Many of you will have read my recent cutting asides to various things at ER, and I think that where that comes from is me trying to talk myself out of following football all together. Iíve fought and fought it, but I just really canít be arsed with it anymore.

I fundamentally believe that football in this country is ruined beyond repair, and I no longer have the time, money, or interest to dance to the money menís tune. I am going to try and go cold turkey as of the start of the next season. Itíll be difficult, but I can no longer watch the decline of one of the last great traditions in this country. The cancer of commercial interests is everywhere and in everything in this country and I fucking hate it.

Have a great season whoever you support, but as of now, Iím out.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But if you were to support a team, it'd still be Leeds, right?

It's hard not to nod along to most of your points. Sadly.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grind wrote:
But if you were to support a team, it'd still be Leeds, right?

It's hard not to nod along to most of your points. Sadly.


Of course it would be. I still want them to win everything in the world.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

before the late 19th century it was mainly played by school children not adults
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sir Bulldog Craggwood wrote:
before the late 19th century it was mainly played by school children not adults


Some could argue it still is.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I blame that murdoch cunt
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She's a wrong 'un and no mistake.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grind wrote:
She's a wrong 'un and no mistake.


Who is?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I blame that murdoch cunt


Apart from being a complete spanner and drugging B.A. Baracus in order to get him in a plane or helicopter against his will, I can't see why anybody would have a problem with him. And if you do have a problem with him, and no one else can help, you need the A Te, OH FORGET IT.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty well agree with you Dock

football's a business, players are a commodity and we are consumers.

I only go to matches because if i didn't then mrs f would drag me round Ikea and that's worse. marginally.  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pretty well agree with you Dock

football's a business, players are a commodity and we are consumers.

I only go to matches because if i didn't then mrs f would drag me round Ikea and that's worse. marginally. †


Or Kyaking. Whens the next installment of the whitewater adventure?  
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canít disagree with any of that Dock, those are the issues we all have to think about, itís a personal choice. Iím going to carry on simply because all those thing you listed are peripheral football things in general and not specifically Leeds Utd.

Put simply, if I stop supporting my team because of all those things I also cut off all the great things about supporting my team. The common craic with my mates, the history I am part of and the hopes I share.

Also, despite all those things you listed, the brilliance and unique spectacle of a game of football is still the same as it ever was and is one of the few things that elevate you to a rare level. Football is still THE beautiful and perfect game in essence. Ken Bates and all those other bodies are not going to take that away.

It will probably and inevitably come to a money based decision. Probably in our 2nd season in the Prem if and when it happens when a cut back will most likely take place. Maybe cut out most of the away trips and silly kick off times. Wont be watching on Sk* though, well not at home  
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Canít disagree with any of that Dock, those are the issues we all have to think about, itís a personal choice. Iím going to carry on simply because all those thing you listed are peripheral football things in general and not specifically Leeds Utd.

Put simply, if I stop supporting my team because of all those things I also cut off all the great things about supporting my team. The common craic with my mates, the history I am part of and the hopes I share.

Also, despite all those things you listed, the brilliance and unique spectacle of a game of football is still the same as it ever was and is one of the few things that elevate you to a rare level. Football is still THE beautiful and perfect game in essence. Ken Bates and all those other bodies are not going to take that away.

It will probably and inevitably come to a money based decision. Probably in our 2nd season in the Prem if and when it happens when a cut back will most likely take place. Maybe cut out most of the away trips and silly kick off times. Wont be watching on Sk* though, well not at home †


As I stated in my initial post, it was in no way just about LU, its about football in general. I've slowly weened myself off it and I can't see any future in it. For me, what you describe as the peripheral stuff, is what adds to what happens on the pitch. As you say the camaraderie of fans and your mates is brill, but I just won't pay into something that benefits the few, instead of the fans and club in general. And recently I have seen pics of LU in the YEP and I just think the players look like advertising hoardings. I find it all a bit tacky and pathetic. I think the most encouraging thing I have read about recently was a load of Arsenal season ticket holders saying no-fucking-more regarding price increases and giving up their tickets. Debt and borrowing within football will implode eventually. Its inevitable. Even the national stadium needs re-turfing god knows how many times a year. And why? Because big business that couldn't give a shit runs our national game, thats why. I'm out.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think i once made a post saying similar things, what i discovered as i typed it is that essentially you support the ground. People have been going to the same ground for years, they have seen players, managers, boards and even other fans come and go. The ground is constant. Of course some clubs have moved that but i believe the principle is the same. True football fans see their club through thick and thin and it becomes a routine, a part of their lives. Its the thing they do. The other stuff you mention in your post is 'stuff' that happens. Like the changing of wallpaper in your local boozer.
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Good point about the ground Lol, but the way I see it is the reason why Ken Bates and others like him buy a football club, is because it makes a lot of money. Fair enough. But surely some of the vast amount of gate money taken over a season, should be reinvested in the club and not just going into the pockets of owners. Sure, let them fill their boots with money, after all they did invest in the first place, but they should put something back as well. It seems clear to me, with the level of club debts right across the league, that owners take too much out of a club. Maybe I'm being too Marxist about it, but thats my feelings on it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Final Whistle Reply with quote

Dock wrote:
Well, its been coming for a few years now. If I did a forensic check it probably started after I gave up my Kop season ticket at LU when it went all seating, and has ended with all the talk of ridiculous closed season transfer prices recently. I have witnessed as season follows season throughout every division in the last ten years:

# An increase in unimportant matches played by teams.

# A national side that are too daft to laugh at, and were a disgrace in the last world cup.

# A big price increase for match tickets (when in Europe many clubs charge less and sometimes half the price that fans over here get charged).

# More frequent movement of players between clubs, to the point where I canít keep up with transfers.

# A massive number of loan players hopping from club to club.

# †Managers/boards seeming to enjoy the option of rolling contracts.

# †A virus-like apathy amongst players who in many cases, and in many matches that I have watched at all levels, donít really seem that bothered about giving their all to playing football and winning.

# The scary increase in clubs getting rid of the traditional names of their grounds in order to sell the naming rights to a private company.

The aforementioned points are applicable to every team in every division including our so-called ďmost competitive top flight in the worldĒ teams as well.


I no longer understand what football fans are supposed to be loyal to?

Is it the players? The majority of which would leave the club they are currently at for an extra £1000 a month. Many of you say ďGood luck to them if they can get the moneyĒ but that for me that is the crux of the matter. Before the silly pay packets came along there wasnít half as much movement of players.

Is it the board? Who even at a club like LU that gets big attendances, fail to put money back into buying players and building youth programmes.

Some may say ďWell, that the modern game isnít itĒ Well hereís the news, fuck the modern game. Itís shit.

Many of you will have read my recent cutting asides to various things at ER, and I think that where that comes from is me trying to talk myself out of following football all together. Iíve fought and fought it, but I just really canít be arsed with it anymore.

I fundamentally believe that football in this country is ruined beyond repair, and I no longer have the time, money, or interest to dance to the money menís tune. I am going to try and go cold turkey as of the start of the next season. Itíll be difficult, but I can no longer watch the decline of one of the last great traditions in this country. The cancer of commercial interests is everywhere and in everything in this country and I fucking hate it.

Have a great season whoever you support, but as of now, Iím out.

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You'll never keep it up Dock, what will you do with your Saturday afternoons from now on ?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats the deal well and truly sealed for me. I have just watched the 'How to Buy a Football Club' programme from the other night. I knew things were bad, but I am really shocked at how bad. I thought there may have been a bit more reaction to such a bang-to-rights programme on Reg, but maybe the head in the sand approach suits the majority. Different strokes n all that. But this is where it ends for me (football, not Reg).
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dock wrote:
Thats the deal well and truly sealed for me. I have just watched the 'How to Buy a Football Club' programme from the other night. I knew things were bad, but I am really shocked at how bad. I thought there may have been a bit more reaction to such a bang-to-rights programme on Reg, but maybe the head in the sand approach suits the majority. Different strokes n all that. But this is where it ends for me (football, not Reg).


I never saw it Dock, will catch up with it on iPlayer.

With reference to Lol's thoughts on supporting the ground, I think it's close but not the nail I think we support ghosts, memories so to speak.

I really hope that this NI stuff fucks up the money going into the Premier League, I'd love to see the mighty fall hard.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bearing wrote:


With reference to Lol's thoughts on supporting the ground, I think it's close but not the nail I think we support ghosts, memories so to speak.



Yes, that is a lot closer to it.
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I've also not seen the program or was even aware that it was on.


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